IAM WINS!

[blue collar]

No silence, worked all weekend, and like I said, I stand by my posts, and you will see when the time comes I was right.
 
I spoke to the man who wrote the Alliance and his contacts within the NMB, and every piece of info is the NMB will conduct the election.

Maybe you can tell the guy who wrote the alliance that it's a horrible idea. IF they needed to 'share' the members it should have been done by class/craft- not location. I wouldn't want to be non-union, but I would have a very hard time voting for the alliance.

 

[1AA]

Maybe you can tell the guy who wrote the alliance that it's a horrible idea. IF they needed to 'share' the members it should have been done by class/craft- not location. I wouldn't want to be non-union, but I would have a very hard time voting for the alliance.

Vote for NO UNION when the time comes. If we manage to pull it off do you think the IAM,TWU and the AFL-CIO will go to the NMB and decertify the unions on the floor? Why would they forfeit $$$ millions of dollars $$$ in order to satisfy the membership?
If the only choice is No union and the Alliance then when things turnout horrible in the alliance a year or two later down the road they will only say you voted for it.

 

[mike33]

Maybe you can tell the guy who wrote the alliance that it's a horrible idea. IF they needed to 'share' the members it should have been done by class/craft- not location. I wouldn't want to be non-union, but I would have a very hard time voting for the alliance.

 
 
  Vote as you will but from a standpoint of strength, the alliance is the only one who can declare single carrier status. Thats strength from a CBA and Integration standpoint. Sure you can vote it down and the work force of this New Worlds Largest Airline could be split!. Is that worth the risk?.. My suggestion is to get on with this alliance and address the Class/Craft later where it doesn't hurt what we all should be trying to accomplish....
 
  To get back what we all have lost in the last 10-20 yrs. Deal with our Class / Craft and Work Location issues later. 

 

[jimntx]

You might want to ask some of the other unionized people how it worked for them when they were told..."just go ahead and vote for this contract. We know there are holes in it that you could drive a truck through, but we'll work out the details later."

 

[700UW]

They aren't voting on a CBA, it's voting so the IAM and TWU can jointly represent the workforce instead of forcing an election where everyone can be the loser.

 

[mike33]

You might want to ask some of the other unionized people how it worked for them when they were told..."just go ahead and vote for this contract. We know there are holes in it that you could drive a truck through, but we'll work out the details later."

Example Please !!!  I have no idea who told what to whom so lets sort this out here

 

[jimntx]

They aren't voting on a CBA, it's voting so the IAM and TWU can jointly represent the workforce instead of forcing an election where everyone can be the loser.

I'm well aware of that fact. However, it's still voting on something that you nor anyone else on the line knows all the ramifications of the merger in advance. There's a lot of "we'll work that out later" involved.

As a member of the APFA at AA, I know some of the results of not looking carefully at any sort of agreement--whether merger or a TA contract. For instance, I found out the hard way back last June that we had agreed in our last merger to give up one of the cornerstones of re-assignment during a trip. If an ACARS message was sent to the a/c you were on to reassign you once the a/c landed, you still needed first-person contact if you did not acknowledge the message. Now, if the cockpit acknowledges receipt of the message, it is considered the same as you acknowledging the message regardless of whether or not you ever actually got the message.

For those AA f/as who wish to dispute the statement above...I got a missed trip because I never received the ACARS sent to the flight on which I was deadheading, nor was I met on the jetbridge by someone from Flight Service, but the cockpit had acknowledged receipt of the message. As it was the last leg of a 3-day, I went home. When I got home I learned that I had been given a missed trip. When I called the Scheduling Rep on Duty at the Blessed Order of the Perpetually Trip-Removed (APFA), I was told that if the cockpit acknowledges, it's the same as if I had acknowledged receipt of the message.

I would imagine that a number of TWU people might give you some examples of agreeing to TA's where some items were not spelled out in detail.

 

[700UW]

The agreements on the Alliance is quite clear and detailed, and online and available for any IAM or TWU member to read, during the raid, the Alliance was spelled out quite clear to the M&R on the US side, including the furloughed members.
 
What would be uncertain is a representational election between the IAM and the TWU, no one would ,now the outcome and it would push JCBA negotiations way off into the future.
 
The IAM as US and UA have released the full CBA before a vote, because of the issues involved.

 

[john john]

They aren't voting on a CBA, it's voting so the IAM and TWU can jointly represent the workforce instead of forcing an election where everyone can be the loser.

What a great idea Sounds familiar though

 

[700UW]

And John, will you care to explain how it has been under an Alliance?

 

[blue collar]

They aren't voting on a CBA, it's voting so the IAM and TWU can jointly represent the workforce instead of forcing an election where everyone can be the loser.

See, there's the problem. Neither union feels strong enough that they would win an election - and that's a problem. What's worse than a union failing it's members? 2 unions failing their members. This had been a bad hatched plan from the beginning, maybe there's time to change it?

 

[737823]

See, there's the problem. Neither union feels strong enough that they would win an election - and that's a problem. What's worse than a union failing it's members? 2 unions failing their members. This had been a bad hatched plan from the beginning, maybe there's time to change it?

Blue if there wasn't the no raid clause for AFL-CIO affiliates there would be more accountability from the IAM.

Josh

 

[mike33]

See, there's the problem. Neither union feels strong enough that they would win an election - and that's a problem. What's worse than a union failing it's members? 2 unions failing their members. This had been a bad hatched plan from the beginning, maybe there's time to change it?

nope....aint gonna happen. This type of leverage only comes around...well ...maybe only once. AA want a reprieve on there MOU gives?. This is the way.
 
Vote out the association and Parker...Your savior will have you for lunch in 2018

 

[swamt]

I have warned you guys of this up coming vote for the alliance between TWU and IAM.  You guys will get what you deserve if you fall for the "forced vote" of the alliance.

 

[700UW]

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