IAM WINS!
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Vote no on the association and we stay independent. The TWU and IAM are not telling you the entire story. The flight attendants are not falling for a association. In the end they will have one union representing them. So will we if we decide we want one union representing us. The creators of this association do not want to let go of their dues.
Who suffers? WE DO the membership. Is this how unions represent their members for their best interest?
Who suffers? WE DO the membership. Is this how unions represent their members for their best interest?
Glad to see someone can see the BS that they are spreading. And this is exactly why 700 won't call or contact the NMB himself, he already knows the answers, and just wants to confuse or force the membership into this TWU/IAM alliance BS. My hat is off to the F/A's for standing up to the suggested alliance for them.
Hopefully the membership will collect their own information and facts instead of listening to the BS being spread by the IAM, TWU as well as 700 spreading the misinformation that he says is coming from the author of the alliance and he says is the truth just because it came from the author of the alliance, yea sure, it's gotta be true then right? Still cannot believe no IAM or TWU members have contacted the NMB for themselves, and this is exactly what the alliance wants you guys to do, ignore the truth and just believe what they tell you. Vote for No Union or No against the alliance and you will see that you guys will remain separate until an election is done between the two. Just like all the other mergers, there will have to be an election if you guys vote down the alliance, then you guys will have the true opportunity for the NMB to run an election with the options of "write-in and speak-in" where you guys can bring in a completely different union and finally rid your selves of the industrial union mentality. Good luck to you guys, your gonna need it, it looks like...
Hopefully the membership will collect their own information and facts instead of listening to the BS being spread by the IAM, TWU as well as 700 spreading the misinformation that he says is coming from the author of the alliance and he says is the truth just because it came from the author of the alliance, yea sure, it's gotta be true then right? Still cannot believe no IAM or TWU members have contacted the NMB for themselves, and this is exactly what the alliance wants you guys to do, ignore the truth and just believe what they tell you. Vote for No Union or No against the alliance and you will see that you guys will remain separate until an election is done between the two. Just like all the other mergers, there will have to be an election if you guys vote down the alliance, then you guys will have the true opportunity for the NMB to run an election with the options of "write-in and speak-in" where you guys can bring in a completely different union and finally rid your selves of the industrial union mentality. Good luck to you guys, your gonna need it, it looks like...
Don't care if you go on a tangent, matter fact when do you not? But stay on subject when you do.
NMB has already stated in writing that they have "no jurisdiction over the Alliance, merger, or combination of 2 unions into one" and therefore will not "conduct, run or participate in the election for it".
Now if the members vote this "Alliance" down, and the merger for the airlines is complete, then there could be the election held between the IAM and the TWU, which would be handled and conducted by the NMB.
You just keep believing everything the IAM tells you, what do you have to lose? Nothing because it doesn't affect you. WT, why won't you contact Don West at the NMB and ask him who will conduct the election of the alliance between TWU/IAM? And post the results here, as I have, in writing? C'mon WT, don't be scared, it's free.--- It only takes 5 min to email this question to the NMB. I encourage you and others to do it. Tell you what WT; You send the e-mail and post for all of us to see. If the NMB says they will conduct and/ or run the election for the alliance between the TWU/IAM, I will publically come on here and praise your victory for you. C'mon WT you cannot pass this up, I am not even asking you to praise me when I am correct, but if you prove me wrong then I will publically praise you in front of everyone on here. Now just to be clear this is the question at hand; "Will the NMB conduct or run the election for the TWU/IAM alliance vote to combine the TWU and IAM into one union?" Don't be scared WT; follow thru with the challenge or all out here will know you are too scared to see the true results in writing from the NMB...
NMB has already stated in writing that they have "no jurisdiction over the Alliance, merger, or combination of 2 unions into one" and therefore will not "conduct, run or participate in the election for it".
Now if the members vote this "Alliance" down, and the merger for the airlines is complete, then there could be the election held between the IAM and the TWU, which would be handled and conducted by the NMB.
You just keep believing everything the IAM tells you, what do you have to lose? Nothing because it doesn't affect you. WT, why won't you contact Don West at the NMB and ask him who will conduct the election of the alliance between TWU/IAM? And post the results here, as I have, in writing? C'mon WT, don't be scared, it's free.--- It only takes 5 min to email this question to the NMB. I encourage you and others to do it. Tell you what WT; You send the e-mail and post for all of us to see. If the NMB says they will conduct and/ or run the election for the alliance between the TWU/IAM, I will publically come on here and praise your victory for you. C'mon WT you cannot pass this up, I am not even asking you to praise me when I am correct, but if you prove me wrong then I will publically praise you in front of everyone on here. Now just to be clear this is the question at hand; "Will the NMB conduct or run the election for the TWU/IAM alliance vote to combine the TWU and IAM into one union?" Don't be scared WT; follow thru with the challenge or all out here will know you are too scared to see the true results in writing from the NMB...
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I stand by comment. Its all about leverage. Leverage you have never had before , otherwise we wouldn't be talking about this in this light. The association will prevail. I don't care who is overseeing the balloting. Spend your $$ as you wish. We are waiting for the vote so we can get on with this association that will lead us to the end result asap. AMFA had their chance and there are no more chances. Its time to move on. At this time in the merger, two heads are better than one.............
Mike do you really know what this association is all about? Do you really know what the future holds for the M&R group? The International still has open areas of explanation on this association. And who are you to speak for the over 10,000 title 1 and title 2 people at American as well as the 5,000 people at USAir? Why is it that the two flight attendant unions are butting heads on representation after the merger? They want no part of any alliance crap that the TWU and IAM thought up. Vote NO on the alliance so we the members can chose who we want to represent us instead of the TWU/IAM. AMFA will always be around and there will always be chances to have a democratic choice of union representation.
Read this.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/12119391/1/us-airwaysamr-merger-means-a-labor-union-must-exit.html
US Airways/AMR Merger Means a Labor Union Must Exit
Read this.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/12119391/1/us-airwaysamr-merger-means-a-labor-union-must-exit.html
US Airways/AMR Merger Means a Labor Union Must Exit
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I read it the day it came out. Sounds like they don't know what they wanted at all. If you can't see the end result in over six months of figuring? What the hell have you been talking about?........ "Over six months during the spring and summer, leaders of the two unions periodically negotiated, finally reaching an understanding that would, over time, have seen the AFA depart after representing US Airways flight attendants for 65 year" Finally reaching an understanding?....Really?...What happened?
I don't see where AMFA or TWU or IAM has anything to do with that problem. . The association drives Parker to negotiate Fairly and Quickly.
Post me an article that represents yours and my point of view. I say now is the time to not be divided. I don't speak for anyone at all. Everything is just my point of view from the information I've gathered thru conversations from both TWU and IAM. It's time to jumpstart these negotiations with the Association. At least we have signed negotiated LOA's with each other.............The AFA couldn't even do that in six months?
I stand by my comments
BTW, why doesn't your saying say...
Sign an AMFA card if you want to get rid of the TWUand IAM ?????
I guess you don't need the USAIR Brothers !!!
I don't see where AMFA or TWU or IAM has anything to do with that problem. . The association drives Parker to negotiate Fairly and Quickly.
Post me an article that represents yours and my point of view. I say now is the time to not be divided. I don't speak for anyone at all. Everything is just my point of view from the information I've gathered thru conversations from both TWU and IAM. It's time to jumpstart these negotiations with the Association. At least we have signed negotiated LOA's with each other.............The AFA couldn't even do that in six months?
I stand by my comments
BTW, why doesn't your saying say...
Sign an AMFA card if you want to get rid of the TWUand IAM ?????
I guess you don't need the USAIR Brothers !!!
You must have an agenda if you support the association. Most AMT's I work and talk to are interested in their craft and how to preserve what the unions have decimated. My signature says it all. The IBT has been helping out the TWU from being voted out. AMFA is OUR craft union. The other unions are all interested in self serving agendas. If you have not seen that yet then maybe you are not truly a AMT or are looking into a union position of some sorts. How dare you accuse me of not being interested in USAir AMT's and their issues. We are all in the same profession and have the same job description. We all perform the same duties. This is our craft regardless who or where we perform the tasks. The Flight Attendants at AA have more balls to fight than the M&R at AA. They just marked their 20 anniversary of their successful strike of 1993. They had a 90% participation rate. Not bad for a bunch of people that make up mostly of women with no balls!! We have been called sheep at AA because of our weak self serving TWU. Now they want to team up with the IAM with this made up SCAM of a association. Really? VOTE NO, then see if they really will petition the NMB to decertify them selves from representing us. It is about the $$$$$. Lots of dues will be forfeited if they let us go. Think it will happen? Should I answer my own question? I think your smart enough to figure that one out.mike33 said:
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Mike33
If the IAM is so great over there then why did you guys have a vote to remove them?
You guy's signed enough cards to rid yourself of the IAM and bring in the IBT.
What has the IAM done since the Teamsters lost? Has US Mgmt made any attempt to settle with you?
Do you think the NMB is going to release You? Job actions are done in the industry, the government sides with the companies these
days. Self help is a thing of the past.
I for one am glad the results went the way they did because the IBT is the worst of the three big industril unions in the
airline biz. I was with the IAM at Eastern, good then but now the IAM is just a business just like all the others my opinion.
We as AMT's have been tied to the ramp/stores for so long its time to shed them. Bring in AMFA and we can rid AA and US from the airlines.
Don't let the Assoc. tell you you will loose your pension if you switch. Don't think that the IAM is going to be around when it is all is said and done.
The AA employees are and will dictate which union will be here in the future. We may operate for yrs independently but sooner or later AA will have ONE union, AA is NOT going to have two unions representing the same works group forever NOT going to happen.
You and I may be gone from the industry by then but US is not going to keep its union if there is a vote we at AA out number you guys.
Think about that. We need to work together to bring a CRAFT UNION to AA. The only one is AMFA at this point. "YES" amfa is not the
save all they have their problems as well but YOU are correct in that we need to stand as one group.
MECHANIC-Aircraft/automotive/facilities/Utility.
If US mechanics and AA mechanics vote in AMFA that amount of dues will give them power in the industry as well as any lobbying
that is required to help our class and craft for the guys who will follow.
AMFA at the NEW AA with US. 2014
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