IAM Stepping Up campaign

[700UW]

How many years ago was that?
 
Since Roach isnt GVP of Transportation and hasnt been a couple of years, but you know that.
 
Seems all isnt happy in Ready Reserve Land:
 
http://www.change.org/petitions/delta-air-lines-keep-the-3-day-ready-reserve-schedule-at-jfk-and-bring-back-the-3-day-schedule-to-other-airports
 

Ready Reserves are the back bone of Delta Airlines. We are cheap labor with no benefits (no vacation, no medical, no sick days, etc) that allow companies like Delta Airlines to have lower operating costs. Those lower costs come at a price. Most Ready Reserves cannot survive on the $11 an hour Delta pays and for this reason being a Ready Reserve is a second job which supplements income for many.
 

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

How many years ago was that?
 
Since Roach isnt GVP of Transportation and hasnt been a couple of years, but you know that.
 
Seems all isnt happy in Ready Reserve Land:
 
http://www.change.org/petitions/delta-air-lines-keep-the-3-day-ready-reserve-schedule-at-jfk-and-bring-back-the-3-day-schedule-to-other-airports

The guy who started that petition will not have to worry about working 4 days for long. Delta will see that he no longer has a job with them.

 

[737823]

How many years ago was that?
 
Since Roach isnt GVP of Transportation and hasnt been a couple of years, but you know that.
 
Seems all isnt happy in Ready Reserve Land:
 
http://www.change.org/petitions/delta-air-lines-keep-the-3-day-ready-reserve-schedule-at-jfk-and-bring-back-the-3-day-schedule-to-other-airports

Roach would love to organize RRs and collect dues from them. The IAM supported and encouraged unlimited part time at UAL, like ready reserve they'd rather collect dues from multiple PT/RR employees than one full time.

Didn't the IAM facilitate part time reserve at Hawaiian?

Josh

 

[700UW]

So now you speaking for Robert Roach?
 
Pretty ballsy, and we know you are the Master of Misinformation.
 
And Roach wasnt involved in the UA negotiations, he is GST, not GVP of Transportation.
 
But you know this fact, but you keep spewing misinformation.
 
And nice deflection, but didnt work.
 
RR is not all roses as you portray, and thats from actual RRs, not you, an alleged Finance Person for JP "Fraud" Morgan.

 

[WorldTraveler]

josh  the iam may suck but gotta tell you  go ask the aa folks about the TWU  and how about UPS with most part timers under the ibt    talk about suck  those 2 unions have worse contracts than the iam

 
first, UPS' work is highly concentrated at certain times of the day.   Part-time work at UPS makes a whole lot of sense.  BTW, UPS is unionized, isn't it.  If TWU contracts are worse than the IAM - and both AA and UA ramp was taken to the cleaners in the last contract - it argues even more why DL people shouldn't expect their peer airlines to provide any lift if DL ever was unionized. 
 

To answer you question you are right on all counts. ALPA was too smart to save the retirement. They were too forward looking and believed that the group would come out better if they took stock and the pbgc .they were wrong and it cost me about 1/2 of my final earnings. But you will never convince them of that. But other airlines learned from what dalpa did and we're able to protect their retirements much better.

 
thank you for sharing that and I am truly sorry for what you have suffered financially
 
There is no ground worker or FA at any US airline that suffered the financial damage as pilots have who had their pensions terminated.
 
And it still doesn't change that DL pilots pulled off the most flawless merger between DL and NW pilots of any of the big 4 mergers and probably of all time for airlines of that size.
 
The cooperative engagement of DL pilots with the company has contributed mightily to DL's post merger success.
 
Hard to argue that WN's unions are paid so well because they have done the same thing with their mgmt but DL pilots should not be.
 

so if companies cannot give to their employees what they don't have  then may be the CEOs and the higher ups should not be at all making anything close to what their making.   companies such as delta PMUS are profitable not only bec of the fees  but the ch 11 did turn them around 

 
if the companies don't have the money to give any employees pay increases, then mgmt shouldn't be taking them either.
 
But that isn't the same thing as arguing that all labor groups should get the same level of increases.  That mindset is from socialism, not from free market capitalism. 
 

Ready Reserves do get pay increases, there may not be steps on the pay scale but a raise is a raise. They get NRSA privileges on DL (that's a benefit), opportunity to bid for other opportunities. Roach secretly likes RR because it's more heads to collect dues from.

Josh

 
thank you... and lower seniority employees disproportionately use their pass benefits precisely because many know they are working for an airline long enough to work their way thru college and see the world and then leave.  There are few RRs that enter with the expectation of making it a career.  Some, but not many.  Most have insurance via other means and they don't get vacation because they can work as much or as little as they want, depending on the airline's needs. 
 
BTW, RRs do get to vote in unionization elections, IIRC. 

 

[Kev3188]

The IAM has lied plenty, saying ready reserves don't get raises and have zero opportunity for advancement.

I'm not going to get into a "parse-the-language-into-oblivion" deal here, but I think an important distinction needs to be made: RR's get A raise.  One.  After one year of completed service. That's it. They're scheduled pay progression is a single step. Not even DL claims otherwise.

This board has long debated whether or not pass travel constitutes an economic benefit in the same manner as, say, health insurance or a 401k match. I think it does not. Others are free to disagree.

 

If DL employees believed the IAM would deliver value they would be pursuing the IAM...

Which is exactly what's happening.


 
 

He will never understand that concept Kev. He does not get that "the union" is the people. When the people let it become "the union" they deserve what they get.

Truth!
 
 

Tell me if I am right, but did the second scale come about the time DL took over ASA's ground handling in ATL? Perhaps I am off but if so those employees still got a raise.

No clue, but that doesn't help anyone that isn't an ex-EV employee.
 


 

DL pilots got ahead of the game because they nearly effortlessly integrated with their NW counterparts probably faster than any other pilot group has done in a major merger - and that has directly and positively influenced DL's ability to achieve revenue gains by right-sizing aircraft to routes.

Throwing piles of cash at them certainly didn't hurt...
 

 
 

The guy who started that petition will not have to worry about working 4 days for long. Delta will see that he no longer has a job with them.

...And likely held up as an example of what happens when one dares speak up...

 

[Kev3188]

But that isn't the same thing as arguing that all labor groups should get the same level of increases.  That mindset is from socialism, not from free market capitalism.

Not for nothing, but if this most recent PS had been paid out in equal shares, it would've worked out to about $6325 per employee. That's admittedly back of the envelope math, but my point is that for topped out employees . that's a nice chunk of change. For someone at the bottom? That's possibly life changing. We all work just as hard as anyone else at creating value, and should be rewarded accordingly. If that makes me a Marxist, so be it.
 
 

Most have insurance via other means and they don't get vacation because they can work as much or as little as they want, depending on the airline's needs.

You're kidding, right? Have you not been following along? That petition is from just one station. The lack of flexibility he mentions is occurring systemwide.
 

BTW, RRs do get to vote in unionization elections, IIRC.

Of course they do. Why would anyone think otherwise?

 

[WorldTraveler]

Kev's point is valid.....
A  raise is not much... but I don't think DL ever made any promises that the RR position was intended to be a career. 
The market for RRs just as with any other position is determined by whether DL can find enough people to do the job at the pay DL is offering and still get good results. 
Other than the winter storm related events which hit all of the airlines in combination with 117, DL is running a very reliable operation and its DOT statistics are as good as they have been in decades, if not better.  DL couldn't be doing that if it weren't paying enough to get the people necessary to do the job.
 
Would we all want more money and benefits?  Of course,  we're capitalistic too. 
 
and EVERY DL employee who is covered under the profit sharing plans got the SAME PERCENTAGE.  Your profit sharing was the exact same percentage of the total DL payroll as your regular pay is.
 
keep up with the guy who started the petition and let us know. 
 
Why haven't the FAs who are pictured at the IAM koolaid stands been fired if DL was out to exterminate any other who challenge DL?

 

[700UW]

Because there are laws protecting those who are seeking to unionize, and DL and other companies have disciplined and terminated pro-union employees.

 

[robbedagain]

pilots at dl got a heck of a lot more in profit sharing than youre willing to admit there wt..  may be 700 needs to re post that flyer that clearly shows how the pilots made out like bandits vs the rest of the groups??????????  so effectively there is no way the delta folks got the same amount percentage wise

 

[737823]

I'm not going to get into a "parse-the-language-into-oblivion" deal here, but I think an important distinction needs to be made: RR's get A raise.  One.  After one year of completed service. That's it. They're scheduled pay progression is a single step. Not even DL claims otherwise.

This board has long debated whether or not pass travel constitutes an economic benefit in the same manner as, say, health insurance or a 401k match. I think it does not. Others are free to disagree.

There may only be one step on the scale but the rates along the scale do indeed increase over time. Again, with all the growth at LAX, NYC, and now SEA haven't RRs moved to PT and FT positions? DL has VPs who started their careers as RRs and while those are few and far between its not right to pretend they are don't exist. Wasn't there a poster on here a few years ago asking about moving from RR to a management position at DL after completing school? You've express your feelings about RR but what you haven't explained is how having fewer mainline stations like AA, UA, and US is better than having 43 like DL. No one has been replaced with RR as you have said before positions get back filled by RR. How is RR any different than Hawaiian Part Time Reserve? Or unlimited split shift, unlimited part time at United?

Josh

 

[737823]

Which is exactly what's happening.

Then why is the IAM flooding the crew lounges with their "activists", holding events, distributing literature, etc? If they are so convinced DL employees want their product (since they are a business after all) why not have an election. The cards are expiring and apparently the new hires are not interested in representation whatsoever.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Crew lounges are staffed with actual DL FAs, not IAM represented employees nor IAM staff.

 

[Kev3188]

There may only be one step on the scale but the rates along the scale do indeed increase over time.

Like I said; take it to as granular level as you'd like; at the end of the day, there is one scheduled step increase. Period. Full stop. If you want to define that as progression, have at it.
 
 

...and apparently the new hires are not interested in representation whatsoever.

Josh

According to who?

 

[737823]

Crew lounges are staffed with actual DL FAs, not IAM represented employees nor IAM staff.

Will Sito make a trip?

Josh