IAM Stepping Up campaign

[WorldTraveler]

I'm not running a campaign to tell DL employees that they need my service.

the IAM is and you and Kev and others are speaking on behalf of that need.

If you believe there is a need for the services you want them to buy, you should be able to provide some evidence that your services are needed and that should come in the form of evidence that DL is abusing its power, that the number of employees who are disciplined at DL is higher than at other airlines, and/or that other airlines keep employees from being fired for reasons which DL terminates them - and show that DL employees want that type of protection.

regarding your question of representation elections in ACS, there is ABSOLUTELY nothing stopping DL employees from calling for a union election every two years if they have enough votes.

the fact that an election hasn't been called says the interest is not there.

the number of years that have passed without a vote being called is far more indicative of the lack of interest than the fact that they have voted only one time in 10 years and in that election voted no.

 

[700UW]

Yet you have been asked by me numerous times and even today about that and you still ignore to answer, what are you scared of?
 
How many times has ACS at DL voted in a representational election in the past 10 years or even 20 and when was the last time?
 
Why did Delta spend millions in lobbying to change the threshold?
 
Why does DL spend millions on third parties to stop a union drive and why does DL use third parties in regards to their own employees?

 

[Kev3188]

So when can we expect to see that outline?

 

[WorldTraveler]

probably about the same time I will see the number of discipline cases at DL compared with other airlines.

 

[700UW]

probably about the same time I will see the number of discipline cases at DL compared with other airlines.

Translation, WT got caught in a lie.

 

[Kev3188]

probably about the same time I will see the number of discipline cases at DL compared with other airlines.

You've made the claim that specific resources rivaling anything found in a CBA are in place should ACS employees find themselves needing them.

Does the above mean you are unwilling to state what they are?

Again, nothing proprietary. A simple outline of the steps will be just fine.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I have repeatedly said on this and other issues that the paper that CBAs have been printed on are worth no more than the practices that DL uses whether you find them written to be posted on the internet or not.

the simple outline which you want is that DL employees do have recourse. posting it on a public forum is not the place to do it any more than posting the number for the payroll help desk belongs on the internet.

DL employees who are affected know where to turn.

If DL employees don't believe it is adequate, they have the choice of seeking a union.

they haven't.

 

[Kev3188]

There's been more than enough opportunity for you to explain your claims w/r/t discipline recourse to the wider board audience. Given that you've been unable to, it's fair to say we can wrap up this latest tangent by bringing it back around to this:

Actually, ACS doesn't have even the faux appeal process other groups do.

You get in hot water, and warranted or not, it's you against the bureaucracy. Alone.

Best of luck.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, we can say that DL internal matters should be taken place internally, not on a public chat forum.

 

[southwind]

So............when's the ramp vote, so we can go ahead and close this thread down?

Of course, not sure what 700's going to do with all of his time, then!

 

[700UW]

Organize DL's CSA, Res and Maintenance, lol!

 

[Kev3188]

So............when's the ramp vote, so we can go ahead and close this thread down?

If I was clairvoyant, we wouldn't be coworkers...

What I can tell you is that ACS is currently meeting all of it's targeted goals for organizing...

 

[WorldTraveler]

If I was clairvoyant, we wouldn't be coworkers...

help us understand that one, plz.

when will the vote be?

 

[Kev3188]

As soon as it's decided that there are enough signed A cards to do so.

 

[WorldTraveler]

can't you start a "thermometer" for us to see how close we are?