IAM Stepping Up campaign

[Kev3188]

I've seen similar, but it was many years ago during contract talks.

DL doesn't allow "real talk." It's all about keeping up appearances at the Widget.

You see Bob's post as an indictment; I see it as a sign of long overdue positive change...

 

[southwind]

you may have your criticisms of DL but I find it hard to believe you have ever seen the bar room scene described here.

and you are right about the need for members to take control of their unions - but how long have we been hearing the same thing - and it is not just a TWU/AA issue.

my bias is in recognizing that there are groups of people who can't fix a system they created and then commiserate incessantly about what is wrong....

Yeah but, but the IAM is different from the TWU....
 
Thanks for posting WT.
I think it's only right, that people deciding whether or not they want a union, know the "WHOLE" story and not just the part that has rainbows and Unicorns in it!

 

[BABABOOY]

How the IAM district 141 level runs a election.
To Our Flight Attendants that took the time to Vote,
It makes me very sad to inform you that the Atlanta vote did not count in the district election. Apparently, within the IAM, there are many rules on how to handle paper ballots depending on whether it is a local, district or international election. With both the International and local elections, instructions were included with the ballots and tally sheets. Not so with the District election. The person in charge of the election was told to do as she was trained. She was trained for a local election as this was our first district election. She worked very hard to insure that all rules were followed that she was aware of. Unfortunately, no one told her she had to send in the paper ballots with the tallies. How would she know? The district was aware of this error almost immediately but chose not to make her aware of it until yesterday when they were almost finished the count. She offered many solutions including flying them out there on the next plane but all were turned down by the District. Our local was not the only local that was not counted. We are trying to find out how many were disqualified because of a lack of instructions. Frustrating? Yes, indeed but direct your anger and frustration at the IAM, specifically to David Supplee - Secretary Treasurer
Air Transport District 142
400 NE 32nd St.
Kansas City, MO 64116
Office - 816-452-6646
Fax - 816-455-4793
Cell - 727-415-6628
This was not a local error but an error by omission on the district level. We will be protesting this election.
 
 
So, the IAM wants my business ?

 

[700UW]

One person made an error, not the whole organization and those members can file a protest.

 

[700UW]

And you said District 141, you are incorrect, Dave is the ST of 142.

 

[southwind]

One person made an error, not the whole organization and those members can file a protest.

Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee! This person went out of their way to accommodate the IAM's incompetence, though I believe there was a reason for it, as I'm sure the IAM knew who the ATL vote was going to favor..........and it wasn't the IAM and your going to blame it on one person?
 
Calling BS on this one!
 
Suppose now your going to tell me Lois Lerner targeted Tea Party groups on her own and was given no orders to do so, from her superiors!

 

[WorldTraveler]

judge number 2 is now telling the IRS to 'splain what happened to the emails.

kind of takes the desire away from FAs to get out and vote when the IAM allows voting inaccuracies - accidental or intentional - to go uncorrected.

thanks, baba. very insightful

Kev,
can you 'splain to us the recount process that exists in representation elections? does either side have the right to ask for a recount? what are the timeframes, etc?

 

[700UW]

In a representational election it is conducted by the NMB and its done by computer or phone, there isnt a need for a recount.
 
If you are talking about an internal union election ,there are procedures in place for observers during the election and the tally.
 
Also you can ask for a recount and file a protest with the union, if that doesnt go anywhere you can file a complaint with the DOL.
 
And I can tell you I have run local, district and international elections when I was RS of 1725 and the instructions are quite clear on what you have to do.
 
I know Dave, he and I worked together in TPA, and he is ST of 142, he is an honest and upstanding guy, he is such a smart mechanic he assists the NTSB on crash investigations.

 

[700UW]

http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2014/Election_Results_Bulletin_2014.pdf
 
And by the way, there isnt an IAM FA local in ATL. ATL is made up of US, UA, and WN.
 
So and there is nothing in the election results and nothing official out by the IAM, who wrote the e-mail and who responded?
 
Well there are red flags all over an anonymous e-mail you posted.

First of all there are no flight attendants in the local IAM lodge in ATL.

Second there are no flight attendants in district 141 which is listed on the top of the posting.
 
And third you are saying to file a protest with Dave Supplee who is the ST of District lodge 142.

Too many inconsistencies to believe its true.

 

[WorldTraveler]

thank you for your thorough explanations, 700.

I agree with you that, solely based on the reminder that the NMB is responsible for representation elections, the validity of the email has to be questioned if it is supposed to talk about the DL FA representation elections.

 

[BABABOOY]

Where in this does it mention Delta F/A's?
I believe what this letter is describing is what is Happening to Express Jet F/A's in ATL 
http://www.iamdl142.org/fa/ExpressJet/
and btw aren't the only F/A's represented by the IAM express jet?

 

[700UW]

I didnt say anything about Delta.
 
Go back and read what I posted, there is things that dont add up.
 
Both District 141 and 142 had their elections last month.
 
But as I explained there are too many inconsistencies on what was posted.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I thought the article was talking about the Delta representation election so the clarification is helpful because it didn't say.

I don't know whether based on that information it is valid or not.

 

[BABABOOY]

I didnt say anything about Delta.
 
 

I wasn't referencing you.   
 

 
But as I explained there are too many inconsistencies on what was posted.

Oh,  like the 1,000's of postings from you?
 
However in the letter i copied it was someone's ACTAUL experience as a F/A with the IAM.

 

[700UW]

Can you not comprehend what was in the letter and what I typed?
 
First of all you have two different districts mentioned in your post.
 
Its starts out saying District 141, and it ends with saying you should file a protest with Dave Supple, he is the ST of District 142.
 
142 has NOTHING to do with District 141 and their elections.
 
Second of all most FAs vote absentee in District Elections.
 
Third, ATL Local for FAs is Local Lodge 2339A.  Nothing on their web page nor either districts.
 
Fourth, there is nothing official out in the 142 election results nor 141 about what you posted.
 
No names, not who wrote it, who it was sent too etc...
 
Like I said too many inconsistencies in your post.
 
http://iam2339a.org/