IAM Stepping Up campaign

[700UW]

ITF representatives met today with Delta Flight Attendants to show their support for the ‪#‎IAMDeltaFA‬ campaign. ‪#‎solidarity‬ ‪#‎organiseorganiseorganise‬ ‪#‎IAMDeltaLondon‬
 
“Delta is the largest anti-union airline in the US and in the global aviation industry,” said ITF's Stephen Cotton, who attended the IAM event. “Airline workers everywhere will benefit when Delta employees are unionised.”
 








 

 

[WorldTraveler]

“Delta is the largest anti-union  limited-union airline in the US and in the global aviation industry based on the choices of its employees,” said ITF's Stephen Cotton, who attended the IAM event. “Airline workers everywhere will benefit when Delta employees are unionized by diverting DL employee salaries to subsidize failing union activities at other airlines .”

FIFY

 

[700UW]

More lies from you, keep it up:
 
How many times has ACS voted in a union election at DL?
 
When was the last time ACS voted for a union at DL?
 
We all know the FAs have voted several times with the last one being very close.
 
When did you retire from DL?
 
Why are you so hellbent on an anti-union message when you are just collecting a frozen pension check?
 
And as you stated there are only like five active DL employees who post on here and two of them arent ACS nor FAs, so why such a concern?
 
And you are the one who tries to censor people and control the conversation, how many times have you said "you dont work for Delta" "You are a third party" "you dont belong her posting"
 
You are such a  hypocrite that its pathetic.

 

[robbedagain]

why keep posting the same questions knowing full well he wont answer them 700   of course I can think of a few answers there for ur questions   lol

 

[700UW]

To show show the board he cant answer using facts, and to show there is more to the story.

 

[WorldTraveler]

why keep posting the same questions knowing full well he wont answer them 700   of course I can think of a few answers there for ur questions   lol

thank you for your common sense, robbed.

perhaps you could jump a jet and TRY TO impart it to 700.

 

[700UW]

How many times has ACS voted in a union election at DL?
 
When was the last time ACS voted for a union at DL?
 
We all know the FAs have voted several times with the last one being very close.
 
When did you retire from DL?
 
Why are you so hellbent on an anti-union message when you are just collecting a frozen pension check?
 
And as you stated there are only like five active DL employees who post on here and two of them arent ACS nor FAs, so why such a concern?
 
And you are the one who tries to censor people and control the conversation, how many times have you said "you dont work for Delta" "You are a third party" "you dont belong her posting"
 
You are such a  hypocrite that its pathetic.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.

Albert Einstein

Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters (like CLT diversions) cannot be trusted in large ones either.

Albert Einstein

and the IAM's motto:

If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.

Albert Einstein

 

[robbedagain]

ill take a rain check on taking an impart to 700 or anyone else for that matter.   if I fly somewhere  its just to get away and enjoy my time away from work

 

[Kev3188]

ITF representatives met today with Delta Flight Attendants to show their support for the ‪#‎IAMDeltaFA‬ campaign. ‪#‎solidarity‬ ‪#‎organiseorganiseorganise‬ ‪#‎IAMDeltaLondon‬
 
“Delta is the largest anti-union airline in the US and in the global aviation industry,” said ITF's Stephen Cotton, who attended the IAM event. “Airline workers everywhere will benefit when Delta employees are unionised.”
 

Fantastic!

 

[southwind]

Hmm, I would think "ALL" company's are anti-union. Maybe this Dude needs to rephrase his statement to: The majority of DL employee's don't want a union!

 

[southwind]

To show show the board he cant answer using facts, and to show there is more to the story.

Finally! We agree on something. Now when are you going to tell us about the ugly side to unions story!

 

[WorldTraveler]

wow... just wow.

this site is the best antidote to anyone who has any illusions/delusions of what a union can do.
 

On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 09:16 AM, Santos wrote:

As you probably heard, the Lombardo meeting was packed with explosions at JFK yesterday. I was committed to staying in the background, and watching my coworkers cower to Lombardo. It was quite the contrary. Almost immediately anger and profanity erupted. I was proud of them, even though at times the discussion wondered or rehashed the same topic over and over. Lombardo looks like a street fighter. He didn't quiver and traded curses with the best of them. At one point a mechanic called out Alex Garcia and had to be restrained from going after the treasurer.

Lombardo's best moments came when he told the assembled group to be more militant. He repeated this often. This has been my ideology from day 1. However, my coworkers, subconsciously, chose the lazy route while blaming others for our misfortune. It didn't help that there was never any leadership from the Intl on the subject. There must be a blizzard in hell because I thought I'd never live to see a day when the Intl President openly advocated a job-action.

Afterwards I pulled aside Lombardo, Samuelsen, and Garcia and spoke to them individually without an audience. I thanked Lombardo for coming and told him his remarks on militancy was right on mark. That led me to the e-mail thread posted on the 591 web-site. He slinked for a moment. I reiterated some of the points from the e-mails. Shockingly, Lombardo said there was a prevalent cowardliness in the ATD. "They're terrified of management," he commented. He preceded to rail against the ATD without mentioning names. I assume he was referring to Drummond. Lombardo grabbed my hand and said that e-mail thread was his most embarrassing moment and his caustic reply to me was out of frustration with the ATD. I assured Lomdardo that my e-mail was not designed to antagonize but rather constructive criticism. Grabbing my hand again, he came closer, and with a smirk said, "if you really want to boil me over -- compare me to Jim Little."

I spoke to Garcia about corporate compensation and the TWU's inactivity on the subject. He replied that legal has been looking into whether they are accountable to an agreement made by Jim Little. "Just fire off a few comments and tell the company you'll see them in court," I scoffed. Garcia replied, "that may be the direction we're heading."

Sammuelsen gave me his phone # and expressed interest in continuing a conversation with me on militancy.

Santos

I talked to Lombardo personally when he came to Tulsa. He saw my AMFA pin and told me "We need one union here and you need to get rid of that pin." I told him he and the TWU International needed to give me one good reason why I should lose the pin. He told me "We got one union here." A fork lift drove by just then and I asked him if we had one union why did forklift drivers and all the other stock clerks along with fleet service have superior benefits than AMTs? He looked at me for a few seconds and said nothing. Then his trained monkey Sean Doyle jumped in and offered to answer any questions I had. When I started asking them he said he would do it over email. When I emailed him he said he would rather do it over the phone. When I told him I wanted everything in writing so there could be no misrepresentation of either of our words he agreed so I emailed him the questions. One of them being why any union would agree to discriminate against one group by forcing inferior benefits on them such as unpaid sick time and less vacation. He did not answer one single question. This is the TWU International that Bob Owens is talking up. I wanted to know why the inferior benefits were allowed and what was being done to rectify it. At this point after not having paid sick time for well over 10 years, and the loss of yet another week of vacation, I feel the TWU has no intention of getting either for us ever again. I also think that maintaining 6 weeks of vacation for stores (along with the skill pay they got them and their continued 100% paid sick time) is a complete slap in the face to all AMTs. Mr. Lombardo is just another windbag who will do nothing for AMTs because he has no respect for us. Anyone who condones inferior benefits for any work group in the same union is not fit to hold office. His refusal to answer my questions prove that there is no plan to get us the basic benefits that stock clerks enjoy. He didn't even use the excuse that we would get everything back in the joint agreement. If any one of you on this board thinks for one second that the TWU (or IAM) will gain anything in joint negotiations you are completely out of touch. In the first place, AA will drag these negotiations out for several years. In the second place remember that the TWU got stock clerks skill pay when they couldn't get us full sick pay. I'm sorry and I know I have said this before and some of you are probably tired of it, but I and all AMTs deserve the same benefits as a stock clerk. Bob, I'm sorry but you are out to lunch on this one. The only way we AMTs have any chance to salvage anything from our careers is if we dump the TWU. Of course the IAM is no better and I point to their TA as proof. Why are they setting the bar at AA compensation when we are in a BK contract? We have one last chance to fix what is wrong and throw the TWU out. We cannot trust lip service from the likes of Harry Lombardo. We are not bus drivers so we do not matter to Harry Lombardo. Sean Doyle is a recipient of the Junior Mechanic Program that handed free A&P licenses to career fleet service clerks, cleaners and stock clerks instead of forcing AA to raise the pay for AMTs so they could hire them instead of all of them going to UA, US Air and Delta for the higher pay. This is the TWU and I am sick and tired of seeing them take care of everyone else except the AMTs. Get rid of them now. For me and a lot of others it is too late to save our careers but we have a chance to help the next generation of AMTs. I challenge anyone to email Sean Doyle and ask these questions and see the answers (or lack of) that you receive if you receive anything back at all. Sorry Bob but I must disagree with you on this one. The TWU is cancer to AMTs.

 

[Kev3188]

The only "wow" is how easily you allow your confirmation bias to come into play. For a guy pleading for all sides to be heard, you're sure quick to throw the baby out with the bath water.

I happen to think it's great. Frankly, it's a bout time AA AMT's got pissed off enough to actually do something.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you may have your criticisms of DL but I find it hard to believe you have ever seen the bar room scene described here.

and you are right about the need for members to take control of their unions - but how long have we been hearing the same thing - and it is not just a TWU/AA issue.

my bias is in recognizing that there are groups of people who can't fix a system they created and then commiserate incessantly about what is wrong....