IAM Stepping Up campaign

[737823]

No one has answered me why propaganda from the IAM focuses on the past accomplishments of the broader labor movement-many of which DL employees now enjoy through protections in place under the law.  Telling people in 2014 they should join a union because labor championed 40 hour work week and fair labor standards is beyond ludicrous, organized labor hasn't delivered for the middle class in a long while, again what value will the IAM bring to DL employees?
 
Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

and labor just took another hit



WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Supreme Court on Monday limited the power to force contributions to public employee labor unions. The court however declined to strike down mandatory fees for those unions. The vote was 5-4. As a result of the decision, home-care workers in Illinois won't have to pay dues to public employee unions.

 

[Kev3188]

 

...organized labor hasn't delivered for the middle class in a long while...
Josh

Sure it has. it's delivering now.

What exactly do you think the landscape would look like w/o the counterbalance labor (even in it's current state) provides?

 

[737823]

 

Sure it has. it's delivering now.

What exactly do you think the landscape would look like w/o the counterbalance labor (even in it's current state) provides?

 
In my line of work no different, nor for most white collar professionals.  Like I said vast protections exist through equal opportunity, fair labor standards, FMLA, OSHA, etc that the value of representation has diminished considerably with those protections in place (that organized labor championed and lobbied to make available to the entire labor force).  Never understood why unions use their own political money to lobby to give away protections normally gained through the collective bargaining process.  But again explain how telling DL employees "organized labor championed safety standards...40 hour work week, etc" will win their support?
 
Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

And then there is another often overlooked dynamic: the decline of labor unions. As the following chart shows, over the past several decades, the decline in the unionization rate tracks almost perfectly with the decline in the share of income going to the middle class.

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/labor/news/2012/09/12/37761/unions-are-necessary-to-rebuilding-our-middle-class/

 

[700UW]

One of these days I will fly DTW-Asia just to possibly have them on my flight and the opportunity to speak with them.
 
Josh

Dont be scared.
 
You are scared of outing the real you,lol

 

[700UW]

how about you fly DL to Asia just to enjoy the service? You'll more than get your money's worth.

you are always welcome aboard Delta.

There you go again, speaking for a company you no longer work for.
 
Maybe if he gets older FAs on his flight he will insult them like he does to PMUS FAs.

 

[robbedagain]

if you look at the current TA at PMUS  I would consider that a heck of a job well done esp comparing it to 08 deal  so in theory the current drive at DL can look at the IAM at PMUS for FSA and say that is one heck of a great way to start.
 
but then again you could also be a home owner of a home and JP can tell you theyre repo the home bec that's what they want!  just the same way they nailed American people before

 

[WeAAsles]

"No one has answered me why propaganda from the IAM focuses on the past accomplishments of the broader labor movement-many of which DL employees now enjoy through protections in place under the law.  Telling people in 2014 they should join a union because labor championed 40 hour work week and fair labor standards is beyond ludicrous, organized labor hasn't delivered for the middle class in a long while, again what value will the IAM bring to DL employees?"
 
Josh


As union membership rates have declined so too has their influence to fight to protect all of those things you just sited. If I wasn't heading to work I could provide you hundreds of examples where all of those items that even you enjoy are under attack in America today.

The foolishness of people is in believing that if one day labor unions no longer existed that all the things they fought for to make a reality wouldn't go away with them.

I always love this one because it's so prophetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

 

[737823]

if you look at the current TA at PMUS  I would consider that a heck of a job well done esp comparing it to 08 deal  so in theory the current drive at DL can look at the IAM at PMUS for FSA and say that is one heck of a great way to start.
 
but then again you could also be a home owner of a home and JP can tell you theyre repo the home bec that's what they want!  just the same way they nailed American people before

 
Robbed what about all the people saying they wanted retro pay for the three years the company has stonewalled negotiations?  Wings396 and several others have said no retro means no vote.  Look at your AA peers think:
 
 

Just read the highlights of the IAM contract. I didn't realize us air was in bankruptcy. Not even close to delta or united pay. This TWU IAM alliance has failed us already.

 

 
Granted they are referring to the M&R agreement not fleet but still.
 
Josh

 

[700UW]

How can the Alliance that isnt even in effect causing anything?
 
There is an Alliance Agreement, it hasnt been voted on, so technically there is no Alliance and they are not doing anything as they cant now as they legally dont represent anyone.

 

[737823]

How can Alliance that isnt even in effect causing anything?
 
There is an Alliance Agreement, it hasnt been voted on, so technically there is no Alliance and they are not doing anything as they cant now as they legally doesnt represent anyone.

 
 
Do you ever proofread anything before you post?
 
Josh

 

[700UW]

Answer the question, you posted his quote, now explain it, as the Alliance doesnt represent anyone.
 
Truly shows your ignorance and your crap stirring as you attack grammar and not debate the issue at hand.

 

[WorldTraveler]

And then there is another often overlooked dynamic: the decline of labor unions. As the following chart shows, over the past several decades, the decline in the unionization rate tracks almost perfectly with the decline in the share of income going to the middle class.

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/labor/news/2012/09/12/37761/unions-are-necessary-to-rebuilding-our-middle-class/

you forgot to mention the increase in free trade agreements, increased use of debt by both government and consumers, and degradation of the overall economy because of enormous government spending - all of which have reduced the ability of consumers to spend on high quality, domestically made products and services.

 

[robbedagain]

while I don't necessarily agree with the amount of bonus I do think that it is the start  and I do know for a fact that when the JCBA talks come the union is going to ask for more.   But in the overall of things... this TA can and shld be looked at as  a great start  when considering that IAM asked for and just basically got what they wanted.   In my own opin  at the very least  the DL FSA who are wanting to join a union shld look at the IAM FSA TA for PMUS and they cld build from there when and if they succeed at joining the union..