IAM Stepping Up campaign

[WorldTraveler]

again, I am sorry that you cannot see the truth for what it is, Kev.

I am PRO YOU!

Let me just ask you if you have ever allowed for the possibility that you really could succeed at DL as a non-union employee?

ps. If you would like to go post by post by some of the things you believe reinforce what you believe I am, I am more than happy to do so.

 

[737823]

I too am pro-worker just anti-union and organized labor.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Nice of you to stop by. Conveniently timed, too.

I too am pro-worker just anti-union and organized labor.

...Says the person who won't let a union member in their home.

I'm sure if you just hid the good silverware, and watched them the whole time, it'd be okay...

 

[WorldTraveler]

and with all due respect, Josh, I don't share your disdain for labor.

I just don't think it is necessary at DL and I don't think labor has delivered a compelling enough proposition to much of the American workforce but I also realize that labor has had a harder environment in which to work in the US than probably in any other country in the world.

I'm sure if you just hid the good silverware, and watched them the whole time, it'd be okay...

now THAT is funny!

 

[Kev3188]

Let me just ask you if you have ever allowed for the possibility that you really could succeed at DL as a non-union employee?

Your condescension is duly noted. I'm "succeeding" right now, thanks.

 

[WorldTraveler]

again, misinterpretation or perhaps a poor choice of words on my part.

I KNOW you are succeeding.

Let me rephrase.

Have you allowed for the possibility that you might really be able to experience the best that is possible at DL without a union?

 

[Kev3188]

We're comin' up on 4 yrs. now. We've been patient long enough.

 

[WorldTraveler]

patient enough for what?

I'm a little reluctant to ask you but what REALISTICALLY do you think you will gain, knowing that labor services are a market just like fuel or airplanes? In each case, you can't expect to get more than what other competitors and suppliers are willing to offer.

Surely you recognize that DL is playing public hardball with the Exim Bank, A and B, and its competitors.

and DL is hardly unique... perhaps the ExIm bank thing is DL's battle but other companies do the same thing. I doubt anyone buys a 737 cheaper than WN.

What do you expect they will give you (either voluntarily or via a contract) if other labor doesn't provide the same thing or better?

remember that you just agreed with swamt that DL only gives what it does to its employees to keep the unions out.

how I am being anti-union when I disagreed with you and swamt that DL is motivated solely to keep labor out?

If I really agreed with him, then it really IS impossible for labor to ever win at DL because DL holds the purse and heartstrings of its employees.

 

[robbedagain]

the same kind of crap DL is pulling to keep unions out is like the same type the commuter outfit Piedmont did to us for 3 yrs before they became union..     not to mention DL folks who want a union want to have a voice in matters  such as PS etc  

 

[WorldTraveler]

thanks for your input but with all due respect I would like to hear from Kevin.

 

[737823]

and with all due respect, Josh, I don't share your disdain for labor.I just don't think it is necessary at DL and I don't think labor has delivered a compelling enough proposition to much of the American workforce but I also realize that labor has had a harder environment in which to work in the US than probably in any other country in the world.now THAT is funny!

No disrespect taken. I just have seen firsthand how destructive organized labor is to industry and our government the unions today are run narrow minded self serving officials that don't deliver for the people they aspire to serve, IAM President Tom Buffenbarger is a perfect example of that.

Josh

 

[yoyodyne]

We're comin' up on 4 yrs. now. We've been patient long enough.

 
I've must have been asleep when they asked for my opinion...
 
 
 

the same kind of crap DL is pulling to keep unions out is like the same type the commuter outfit Piedmont did to us for 3 yrs before they became union..     not to mention DL folks who want a union want to have a voice in matters  such as PS etc  

 
Again, I don't recall giving my opinion...

 

[Kev3188]

What do you expect they will give you (either voluntarily or via a contract)

I don't expect them to "give" my workgroup anything.

They're an employer, not a benefactor.


 
 

the same kind of crap DL is pulling to keep unions out is like the same type the commuter outfit Piedmont did to us for 3 yrs before they became union..     not to mention DL folks who want a union want to have a voice in matters  such as PS etc

Real talk.
 
 

Again, I don't recall giving my opinion...

Good news! There's still time.

Sign a card, help Dept. 120 call for an election, then you give "give your opinion" at the ballot box.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Josh,
thanks for your understanding.

I do not know a lot about the labor movement outside of the airline industry and my only real interest and knowledge is how well DL employees do relative to the rest of the industry.

I have seen the discord that has occurred in the airline industry between labor and mgmt. but I am also not going to say that one side or the other is free from or completely at fault.

As much as some would like to believe otherwise, outside of government which is largely free to pass along extra costs fairly easily, most companies see labor as an adversarial force they have to fight to keep in check no different than they see the electric bill or taxes.

"Having a voice" is a great battle cry but most companies with unions see labor as a force that has to be conquered.

those may not be words that people on this forum who largely are rank and file unionized workers want to hear but that is reality.
 

I don't expect them to "give" my workgroup anything.

They're an employer, not a benefactor.

outstanding!

which is why the notion that you will get something that your peers don't have unless the company wants more from you is unfounded.

In DL's case, they want you (and 70K of your colleagues) to run a better airline that generates superior financial results than any other airline.

they pay you for doing that, not because your peers are going to get the same thing.

yoyo,
don't even open the discussion about profit sharing again.

robbed doesn't even have it thanks to the IAM and yet he thinks Kev should have a say in what DL does with it?

like more or lots more this year vs last?

 

[Kev3188]

I just have seen firsthand how destructive organized labor is...

Tell us more about this alleged "first hand experience."