IAM Stepping Up campaign

[swamt]

my response is not directed at you specifically but at the notion that some seem to think that profit sharing isn't something that any well-run company that wants to motivate its people would use.

I have to challenge your notion that a non-union company pays profit sharing or any other solid compensation solely to keep the unions out.

it might explain why DL employees enjoy better compensation than their non union peers. after all, if a company has to deal with a union, then why should they do anything to pay their employees more than the bare minimum they can get by with.

By that token, DL employees have long benefitted from above average compensation and aren't about to seek a union if it means that the company's efforts to keep the union out and higher pay get changed to a union with lower pay. Who would every choose that?

but your real error is in arguing that non-union companies only compensate their employees well to keep the union out.. If that is the case, then why does WN bother to pay its people as well as they do?

the logic doesn't work.

DL like WN recognizes that well paid employees take care of their customers well which results in better revenues for the company. Since BK and DL's commitment to that philosophy - which really has roots deep in DL's history - DL and WN have BOTH had above average employee compensation and profitability.

Why some people try to come up with one set of reasons for why the formula works for a non-union company and a different for a union company is incredible.

C'mon WT, pretty sure all of us out here know it's not the sole or only reason the non-union employees get raises and or are paid near or at the top.  But we all also know that it IS in fact one of the MAIN reasons it is done and givin.  And trust me, the SWA employees would not be paid what they are paid if we were not union, fact...

 

[WeAAsles]

Again, to end this arguement discussion the majority of FA's have had decided "No Union" (deleted)
 
 
 
Like the union brethren who backed the AMFA strike at NW?

Why should anyone support a union that supports raiding other unions?
 

Wow! You say that like it's a terrible thing. Never have I dis-repected peeps who load bags! And again, at least I work here!
 
 

Trust me, I know all about unions and have never, nor want to belong to one.
As I said, in an earlier post, had family memebers from my father, grandfather and uncles who belonged to unions at EAL, and those unions are "JUST" as responsible for Easterns demise, as management was.
So please, don't insult me with "I don't know anything about unions".....theres over 100 years worth of union in my family!

Subjective, debatable. 
 

Doesn't matter where I was but, where I am and where I'm going.
Do you always "Schuck and Jive" when backed into a corner?
 
 

I've yet to run into one person at DL, that even says the word "Union"!

OK.

Your right about that but, all it is, is 700's way of changing the subject!
 
 

^^^THIS^^^
 
 

What percentage of members dues was spent, trying and failing to get in DL's doors?

 

[WeAAsles]

^^^THIS^^^
 
 

He should do what makes him happy. If he's content to stay at DL with no guarantee of being in a union, and year after year, being disappointed, stay. If not, look for a company who already has union representation!

Yes, HE should do exactly what HE wants to do. And NOT do what someone else wants because they don't like his opinion. 

You can have an opinion and vocalize it when you're in a union. Boy do I let my managers know my opinion.


Why is it ok for unions, (Which I look at as corporations) to have rule changes but, not the actual company?

 

[southwind]

 

Again, to end this arguement discussion the majority of FA's have had decided "No Union" (deleted)
 
 
 
Like the union brethren who backed the AMFA strike at NW?

Why should anyone support a union that supports raiding other unions?
 

Wow! You say that like it's a terrible thing. Never have I dis-repected peeps who load bags! And again, at least I work here!
 
 

Trust me, I know all about unions and have never, nor want to belong to one.
As I said, in an earlier post, had family memebers from my father, grandfather and uncles who belonged to unions at EAL, and those unions are "JUST" as responsible for Easterns demise, as management was.
So please, don't insult me with "I don't know anything about unions".....theres over 100 years worth of union in my family!

Subjective, debatable. 
 

Doesn't matter where I was but, where I am and where I'm going.
Do you always "Schuck and Jive" when backed into a corner?
 
 

I've yet to run into one person at DL, that even says the word "Union"!

OK.

Your right about that but, all it is, is 700's way of changing the subject!
 
 

^^^THIS^^^
 
 

What percentage of members dues was spent, trying and failing to get in DL's doors?

1. Since merger, FA's 2- Union-0....Next!
2. Your just pissed, along with the IAM that the NW mechanics kicked the IAM to the curb, in favor of AMFA............ahhh, the solidarity of union brethren!
3.So now your going to tell me my family history?
4. OK?

 
 

 

^^^THIS^^^
 
 

He should do what makes him happy. If he's content to stay at DL with no guarantee of being in a union, and year after year, being disappointed, stay. If not, look for a company who already has union representation!

Yes, HE should do exactly what HE wants to do. And NOT do what someone else wants because they don't like his opinion. 

You can have an opinion and vocalize it when you're in a union. Boy do I let my managers know my opinion.


Why is it ok for unions, (Which I look at as corporations) to have rule changes but, not the actual company?

1. Just as people who don't want union representation should be harassed by the union or people in favor of a union!
2. I have an opinion and vocalize it without a union and boy do I let "MY" managers know!

 

[WorldTraveler]

C'mon WT, pretty sure all of us out here know it's not the sole or only reason the non-union employees get raises and or are paid near or at the top.  But we all also know that it IS in fact one of the MAIN reasons it is done and givin.  And trust me, the SWA employees would not be paid what they are paid if we were not union, fact...

no, it isn't even the MAIN reason.

the SOLE reason is because DL knows like WN that well-paid employees relative to their peers are happy and productive employees who help the company win.

and you still haven't explained why with your logic WN employees get what they do.

And if your logic really is true, then the unions can just hang it up in their attempts to unionize DL employees because they will never succeed.... no one is going to walk away from superior pay and benefits and if the company can make the finances work to keep DL employees well paid, the unions will always be at a disadvantage.

further, if your theory is true, then there is no reason for unionized airlines to pay their employees anywhere close to what DL employees have.

in fact, DL's peer airlines are undoubtedly happy to see DL employees paid as much.

other than being unable to explain why WN employees have what they have, your theory makes a lot of sense... and is the confirmed end of the line for the labor movement's efforts at DL.

 

[737823]

Kev and/or 700:
Anyway you could get Debbie Ruehl & Lucia Campos on here? A few months back 700 posted a call for help on WCDFA regarding the ridiculous post that DO F/As got 10x base pay for working the Christmas holiday. As active DL employees they could bring a valuable perspective.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

You're on there; why not invite 'em yourself?

 

[Kev3188]

no, it isn't even the MAIN reason.

Of course it's one of the main reasons.
 

the SOLE reason is because DL knows like WN that well-paid employees relative to their peers are happy and productive employees who help the company win.

Riiiiiiight...

 

[737823]

I am not a member of the group, I just read it periodically.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

It's an open group, so signing up will be a breeze...

 

[737823]

One of these days I will fly DTW-Asia just to possibly have them on my flight and the opportunity to speak with them.
 
Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

Of course it's one of the main reasons.
 


Riiiiiiight...

I don't have to go too far out on a limb to believe that most DL employees believe they are well paid because they do a great job for the company and the company is willing to show its gratitude to its workforce by sharing its wealth. It's the free enterprise system the way it is supposed to work. Money is a powerful motivator.

It's not a philosophy that is really any different from what WN believes - or other companies outside the airline industry.

The highest rate of compensation growth for DL employees is not a coincidence given the phenomenal success DL has had in the marketplace.

given that other airlines have locked their employees into contracts which eliminate the possibility of those employees sharing in their employer's financial success and those contracts don't have to be opened for years, it is not hard to see why DL people want to make their employer successful and reap the fruits of it.

It is a philosophy that DL had for years, got lost in the early years of deregulation because DL couldn't figure out how to distinguish itself from the pack in terms of financial results, and has returned because DL is doing exactly what it takes for DL to succeed where others are not.

enjoy the fruits of YOUR hard work, Kev.
 

One of these days I will fly DTW-Asia just to possibly have them on my flight and the opportunity to speak with them.

Josh

how about you fly DL to Asia just to enjoy the service? You'll more than get your money's worth.

you are always welcome aboard Delta.

 

[Kev3188]

One of these days I will fly DTW-Asia just to possibly have them on my flight and the opportunity to speak with them.

Josh

Yeah, nothing creepy about that at all...

 

[WeAAsles]

Post 3124 Southwind:
 
1. Since merger, FA's 2- Union-0....Next!
2?
 
2. Your just pissed, along with the IAM that the NW mechanics kicked the IAM to the curb, in favor of AMFA............ahhh, the solidarity of union brethren!
I didn't say it was right not to support them, I asked why should they?
 
3.So now your going to tell me my family history?
This part
"and those unions are "JUST" as responsible for Easterns demise, as management was."
Subjective, debatable.
 
4. OK?
Yes OK.

 
1. Just as people who don't want union representation should be harassed by the union or people in favor of a union!
Are you saying you should be harassed or you shouldn't be harassed? And who is harassing you?
 
2. I have an opinion and vocalize it without a union and boy do I let "MY" managers know!
Just be careful how far you push it. Forget the word Union then since it bothers you. You have no contract that spells out specifics for protecting your job if you vocalize your opinion too loudly.
 
I DO.
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, unionized employees DO NOT have the right to trash the company and protect their jobs.

There are several AA employees who have made very public statements against AA and are on the sidelines now.

another generation of DL employees in ATL will have to retire before anyone is convinced that unions had nothing to do with the demise of Eastern.