IAM Stepping Up campaign

[Kev3188]

So you think he should just quit his job rather than try to seek improvements? The man to me sounds like he loves his job? He just thinks it could be even better and organization is where he knows those improvements will come from.

Bullseye.

 

[700UW]

Because unionization isnt a quick process.
 
DL cut Kevin's and others profit sharing by 33% from a 15% payout to a 10% payout.
 
Some DL employees got a 2% raise while others got a 3% raise, which was eaten up by their increase in health insurance.
 
Plus Delta spent millions on changing the threshold so it takes longer to collect enough cards.
 
And you do realize it took four times to unionize ramp at US and five for the CSAs and Res.

 

[Kev3188]

Because unionization isnt a quick process.

That's right, it's not; nothing of value ever is...

Like I always say, building coalition requires taking the long view.


 

 

[robbedagain]

700  there is nothing he will realize when in regards to union..   not sure why you have to keep repeating yourself to him when all he gonna do is repeat his anti union bs all around.    kev  again I truly hope and its my wish to see you become union   its far more worth having a union in my own opin so that you all can have a voice  have a say 

 

[BABABOOY]

I've pretty much covered why I prefer to be Unionized but for you guys it's your decision to make. Mine is also a little bit of prior experiance with 2 large companies that did not have a union before I started at AA that make me an advocate for them. 

Thank you! exactly, it is OUR decision to make.  My experience with 25+ years with Delta being non Union has worked very well.  Delta by all means isn't perfect, however compared overall to my peers, I and the MAJORITY of F/A's believe what we have going continues to work.   I personally am immune to the "sky is falling" attitude and the threat that I can loose everything because I don't have a signed piece of paper.  I have History on my side, so those threats don't work.   
There is a reason why so many analyst, industry peers and employes will state how Delta is unique.  We hear it all the time especially from those f/a's who work for AA/UsAirways and UAL.  They probably can never replicated what we have but they know it works for us.  Also, I would never vote for any Union out of gratitude. Never.   Yes I believe they were use full at one time.   If any union wants MY business they would have to prove they are worth my hard earned money.   The IAM (that doesn't represent many f/a's) is severely lacking. 

 

[737823]

 
 
And you do realize it took four times to unionize ramp at US and five for the CSAs and Res.

 
Because the unions simply can't take no for an answer and figure if they impose themselves enough people will ultimately give in.  No means no, something they can't seem to understand.  You boast about your involvement on the UA PCE drive ("the largest win in the airline industry"), how many times did they vote down representation before letting the IAM take over?
 
Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

Because unionization isnt a quick process.

DL cut Kevin's and others profit sharing by 33% from a 15% payout to a 10% payout.

Some DL employees got a 2% raise while others got a 3% raise, which was eaten up by their increase in health insurance.

Plus Delta spent millions on changing the threshold so it takes longer to collect enough cards.

And you do realize it took four times to unionize ramp at US and five for the CSAs and Res.

that is pure unadulterated rubbish and it will be called as such.

DL employees have the RICHEST profit sharing in the history of US aviation; no other carrier has EVER paid over $500 in profit sharing to its employees.

Despite reducing the PERCENT Of profit sharing - which was agreed to by the unionized pilots as well as "imposed" on the non-contract employees, DL employees enjoyed the highest percentage of their salary EVER in profit sharing - more than 8% or roughly equivalent to one month's salary.

one thing that can be said for you continuing to raise the issue of profit sharing is that it provides yet one more opportunity to show that the IAM and TWU GAVE AWAY profit sharing at the very time that the industry was consolidating and every analyst and mgmt. team was predicting much higher profits.

but I'm sure since mgmt. said it, it was viewed as incorrect by labor.

Stupid labor leaders who once again were unable to understand the industry and figure out how to obtain gains for their members that come even close to what DL "gave" its non-contract workers.

Nonetheless, the industry is making record profits and DL employees obtained 8% profit sharing IN ADDITION to the pay raises which they also received.

There is no basis whatsoever to say that ANY union in the US obtained pay raises anywhere close to the size that DL employees received in 2013, DL is on track to top that again, and DL employee average salaries are ALREADY above average for the rest of the industry.

there is a reason why DL employees want nothing to do with unions and the very concrete concept of MONEY is precisely why.

all the repeat votes in the world aren't going to convince an employee to vote against their own best financial interests.


and, BTW, has it ever crossed your mind that AA, UA, and US are HAPPY to see DL people get these kinds of big pay raises and profit sharing checks? There is nothing that any of those companies like more than to see union members on this website complain AMONG THEMSELVES about how their unions are failing them while at the very same time they look for every opportunity they can to shrink their union workforces just as NW did with the AMFA strike.

The TWU and IAM aren't about to win anything based on their track record which has cost their employees more relative to what DL's non-union employees make.

 

[Kev3188]

 I have History on my side...

Me too, though mine includes both working under a CBA and not.

Also, I would never vote for any Union out of gratitude. Never.

Me either.

Not for nothing, I feel that same way when I hear people talk about how "grateful" they are that DL "gave" them profit sharing, a raise, etc. I suspect (or at least hope) that we at least share that?

If any union wants MY business they would have to prove they are worth my hard earned money.

Nothing wrong with that...

 

[700UW]

Rubbish?
 
The pilots ended up with $17 million more in their payout as they received a 13% raise already before the payout.
 
Did Delta reduce the payout 33%?

Did Delta cut the payout from 15% to 10% without any input from ACS or FAs?
 
How much more would have been paid on the average if the payout was 15% instead of 10%?
 
Did some DL employees only receive a 2% raise while others have gotten a 3% raise?
 
Did DL raise healthcare costs by more than 3%?
 
You can spin it anyway you want, it doesnt change what actually happened.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and you don't realize that the pay raises that DL employees got last year became part of their profit sharing this year?

the same principle applies and has benefitted ALL DL employees.

you can focus on health care costs and differential pay if you want but companies are not going to absorb costs that they are incurring from other suppliers (health care).

Health care costs are going up across the board; everyone is paying and will pay in one way or the other and a union can't stop that. Still, DL employees received the equivalvent of an additional month's pay just in profit sharing - far in excess of the increase in health care costs - and that is on top of their pay raises.

and again, you can harp about RRs and B scale type pay but when UA is outsourcing dozens of stations, AA just did the same, and even WN is no longer saying they will staff all stations with WN employees, the notion that all work is going to be retained by an airline's FT or PT employees is just not realistic - and the environment of the industry confirms it.

 

[robbedagain]

pay raises and ps are 2 different pays  ps is 1 time  and at DL it can and has been sliced  at DL they dont have to give pay raises   whereas in a union its in the contract

 

[700UW]

And those outsourced station effected employees have a no layoff clause, and can transfer to keep their jobs, does the RR at DL have that option?
 
With only one raise and 50% of ACS being RRs.

 

[737823]

And those outsourced station effected employees have a no layoff clause, and can transfer to keep their jobs, does the RR at DL have that option?
 
With only one raise and 50% of ACS being RRs.

So you work for DL HDQ in ATL and know the man power statistics of all stations? Where does it state 50% of the ACS department is ready reserve? Or is this just your desperation to scare people into thinking the IAM will serve their interests?

Josh

 

[700UW]

Learn to read the board, Kevin posted it before.

 

[Kev3188]

No scare tactics.

50/50 system wide is the company's stated goal. I would say most line stations (except for MEM) are pretty close to that now, with the hubs being less so, but trending closer to the mark...