IAM Stepping Up campaign

[700UW]

WorldTraveler, on 28 Jun 2014 - 08:05 AM, said:

You probably will need a few cups of coffee to figure it out, but your little campaign to out Spectator and only him served to accomplish one and only one thing and that is for me to redouble my efforts to dominate the board with my message and do everything I can to prove my points, which I have indeed accomplished doing.

 

[WeAAsles]

I believe he was always Delta, and he made a bet with Kevin last year and lost and wont pay his bet off, he is a welcher.

That explains things a little clearer then. The greatest exposure to Unions he probably has at the moment is former NW AMFA guys. I think if they were my reference point I might be a little trepidations on wanting to vote for a union also. Honestly, no joke if they were representing me I would probably consider taking a position in management?

Oh and you should never welch on a bet. It's just bad form.

 

[BABABOOY]

256 pages with just a couple of outsiders going around and around not accomplishing anything. 
and that fact remains, 2 years into a card drive and NO vote lol.... We just had our latest new hire 
class join us and more are coming in the fall.  The IAM campaign for F/A's may be a bit splashy with 
lots of mailing and tables but they are not accomplishing anything.  If you are actually IN the lounges 
you will see VERY FEW approach their propaganda.  And before anyone says "oh they may be scared" 
give me a break and give the f/a's more credit.  We can, and DO think for ourselves.   The IAM F/A 
campaign is at BEST, STAGNATE.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
WorldTraveler, on 28 Jun 2014 - 08:05 AM, said:
 

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[WeAAsles]

256 pages with just a couple of outsiders going around and around not accomplishing anything. 
and that fact remains, 2 years into a card drive and NO vote lol.... We just had our latest new hire 
class join us and more are coming in the fall.  The IAM campaign for F/A's may be a bit splashy with 
lots of mailing and tables but they are not accomplishing anything.  If you are actually IN the lounges 
you will see VERY FEW approach their propaganda.  And before anyone says "oh they may be scared" 
give me a break and give the f/a's more credit.  We can, and DO think for ourselves.   The IAM F/A 
campaign is at BEST, STAGNATE.

Now see something like this whether I am pro or anti union is at least an honest perspective from an employee who is actually a current DL FA. This is an opinion that at least I have to respect. 

Remember my perspective is from an FSC viewpoint. I do believe that the turnover rate among FA's is probably substantially less than ramp at DL? The cost for training and certifications probably doesn't make it wise to have a revolving door among your peers? 

I'd like to see a push among rampers to have the same FAA certifications be mandatory in the future. Along with representation I think that would provide a much broader measure of protection against arbitrary firings possibly because that employee is going up in base rates.

 

[WorldTraveler]

256 pages with just a couple of outsiders going around and around not accomplishing anything.
and that fact remains, 2 years into a card drive and NO vote lol.... We just had our latest new hire
class join us and more are coming in the fall. The IAM campaign for F/A's may be a bit splashy with
lots of mailing and tables but they are not accomplishing anything. If you are actually IN the lounges
you will see VERY FEW approach their propaganda. And before anyone says "oh they may be scared"
give me a break and give the f/a's more credit. We can, and DO think for ourselves. The IAM F/A
campaign is at BEST, STAGNATE.

hey there. you can't speak here.

you may be a real live, active DL FA but you don't represent the talking points so you are at best some off the way whacko.

yes, the best that can be said about the IAM campaign is stagnate.

the most accurate term is a full-on failure.

The greatest exposure to Unions he probably has at the moment is former NW AMFA guys. I think if they were my reference point I might be a little trepidations on wanting to vote for a union also. Honestly, no joke if they were representing me I would probably consider taking a position in management?

DL employees have always had the vantage point of looking at the disaster than unions have been for their peers in the industry.

DL occupies a number of gates at ATL that were once used by Eastern Airlines.

Many of DL's staunchest anti-union FAs were hired from Eastern and Pan Am. They know exactly how hard mgmt. works to break unions and how the employees are the ones who pay the price for it.

The disastrous strategy that was the AMFA strike is the best example that DL mechanic have needed in order to realize that unions can do nothing.

Add in that AA is well on its way to becoming just like every other unionized maintenance shop at a US airline and there needs to be no further proof that DL employees can gain nothing yet lose an enormous amounts by increasing unionization

but, hey, it isn't my vote that counts.

its the votes of active DL employees that invalidated more than 25K union cards in the space of a couple months in the largest number of union defeats that have occurred at one airline in the history of - well, forever!

 

[BABABOOY]

 I do believe that the turnover rate among FA's is probably substantially less than ramp at DL? The cost for training and certifications probably doesn't make it wise to have a revolving door among your peers? 
 

I believe you are correct, Inflight has a very low turnover rate compared to other work groups within Delta.  about 600 New hires are already flying
and the final numbers are not finalized for this fall/winter.  most likely 1500.  Those wishing to take the early out packages have until the end of July
to make a decision.  Admittedly this will NOT hep the IAM drive. 

 

[WeAAsles]

hey there. you can't speak here.

you may be a real live, active DL FA but you don't represent the talking points so you are at best some off the way whacko.

yes, the best that can be said about the IAM campaign is stagnate.

the most accurate term is a full-on failure.




DL employees have always had the vantage point of looking at the disaster than unions have been for their peers in the industry.

DL occupies a number of gates at ATL that were once used by Eastern Airlines.

Many of DL's staunchest anti-union FAs were hired from Eastern and Pan Am. They know exactly how hard mgmt. works to break unions and how the employees are the ones who pay the price for it.

The disastrous strategy that was the AMFA strike is the best example that DL mechanic have needed in order to realize that unions can do nothing.

Add in that AA is well on its way to becoming just like every other unionized maintenance shop at a US airline and there needs to be no further proof that DL employees can gain nothing yet lose an enormous amounts by increasing unionization

but, hey, it isn't my vote that counts.

its the votes of active DL employees that invalidated more than 25K union cards in the space of a couple months in the largest number of union defeats that have occurred at one airline in the history of - well, forever!

Could you at least make a small effort to refrain from commenting on something that I write as it is blatantly apparent that you DO NOT possess the ability for objectivity and you viewpoints are mostly disregarded by MOST of them members who participate on Airline Forums. Your only motivation on most topics is to be an agitator.

As you can witness by my response to the FA above I do possess the ability to see the opposing viewpoint outside of any agenda I may have personally. You sir by your postings are nothing more than an internet troll and that is also blatantly apparent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

 

[WorldTraveler]

if you want to carry on a personal conversation with another user, do it via a PM.

your viewpoints were riddled with factual errors which I corrected and you now are bent out of shape because I corrected them.

if you want to post factual information, make sure it is correct or you will be challenged.

your name calling strategy has been used before and obtained exactly the opposite results that you somehow thought you were going to get.

You represent a union that has completely failed at what it was supposed to do for its members, is the subject of more posts asking for its removal than probably any other in the history of labor, and you aren't smart enough to realize that the best course of action is to fix your own problems in-house instead of parading thru the streets trying to tell everyone else what they need to do.

btw, my friend finally got their bag back ONE WEEK after AA lost it in MIA between recheck and their flight to IAD.

there's winning service if I ever saw it.

don't worry, though. He's a journalist and is already going to town writing about his experiences with AA.

you picked the wrong people to mess with.

 

[WeAAsles]

I believe you are correct, Inflight has a very low turnover rate compared to other work groups within Delta.  about 600 New hires are already flying
and the final numbers are not finalized for this fall/winter.  most likely 1500.  Those wishing to take the early out packages have until the end of July
to make a decision.  Admittedly this will NOT hep the IAM drive. 

Thank you for your response BABABOOY. It's honest and unfortunately probably correct? New hires do not really understand unions and at least for the moment are happy and excited to have the job in their minds flying all over and adventure seeking. Too bad it's not like the old days (Industry wide) where the layovers allow for them to take advantage of seeing all these cities.

And now both you and Kev have said something about the turnover rate in other departments. I know for us in Fleet here at AA it's not at all high. Attendance is about the only thing that can get you fired where the union doesn't have much ground to win a fight for someone depending on the severity. AA is very good at allowing the member enough latitude to basically hang themselves.

 

[WorldTraveler]

so, new hires are just dumb, low information employees who give great service without having to remember the multiple pay cuts that they took while their company, AA, took 10 years to restructure?

I'm glad to see lots of new faces at DL and to see them working side by side so well with the veterans that have made DL great.

 

[WeAAsles]

I have just put WorldTraveler on my ignore list. For me he adds nothing to my conversations and I no longer wish to engage him.

Good luck to those of you who still do.

 

[WorldTraveler]

great. you are not on mine ignore list.

I don't ignore anyone and I don't let their posts go unchallenged if that is what needs to be done. .

I have no control over what my friend writes about AA as a result of his experience connecting in MIA.

 

[700UW]

And shall we pull up all the bad experiences on Delta?
 
https://www.google.com/#q=delta+sucks
 
From Consumer Affairs:
 
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/travel/delta.htm
 

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[WorldTraveler]

never thought it would come to the day when I would rather debate you over someone else but you are a breath of fresh air compared to the gas that has passed thru here in the past week.

in the most recent DOT consumer report, DL was 5 out of 12 among US carriers at 0.87 complaints per 100,000 enplanements.

in contrast, WN was the best for the month at 0.38 while AA/US consolidated was 1.94 (more than twice as bad as DL) and UA was at 2.14.