IAM Stepping Up campaign

[southwind]

And anyone who posts what you do with your anti-union venom is Anti-Worker!
 
Why would you be against ACS and FAs unionizing when it is there choice and not yours?

I don't have a problem with anyone unionizing.
 
I have a problem with people like you, with supposedly no vested interest with said union or company, not informing the "Actual" people this will affect, with the negative aspect of the IAM, (I've posted several of them) so they can make an "Informed" decision!
 
And as far as I'm concerned, whatever affects DL, affects me...................next!

 

[southwind]

I am not on the IAM's payroll, today is my day off, no events schedule.
 
So lets make a wager, oh wait, you wont pay off as you are a welcher.

1. Sounds like you need to get a life!
 
2. Changing the subject, doesn't help your argument !

 

[WorldTraveler]

Introduce a workforce that was Unionized to a workforce who was not and this is likely to occur. Like any planted seed it just takes time to grow.

did you miss the press release that, what, 8, workgroups that were formerly unionized at NW voted to not be represented at DL? and not one of them has even filed for a vote five years and we're almost 6 years after the merger.

looks like the seed you are hoping to watch grow has some defective DNA.
 

I don't have a problem with anyone unionizing.
 
I have a problem with people like you, with supposedly no vested interest with said union or company, not informing the "Actual" people this will affect, with the negative aspect of the IAM, (I've posted several of them) so they can make an "Informed" decision!
 
And as far as I'm concerned, whatever affects DL, affects me...................next!

amen brother

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[WeAAsles]

Fighting against (fierce management intimidation), Delta Air Lines flight attendants came within 328 votes of winning an AFA-CWA voice and bargaining rights.

The vote was 9,216 for union representation and 9,544 for no union. The turnout was huge, about 94 percent of the more than 20,000 eligible flight attendants voted in the National Mediation Board election.

Read more at: http://www.cwa-union.org/news/entry/management_interference_critical_factor_in_extremely_close_delta_vote/

 

[WeAAsles]

"Delta flight attendants Mary Ellen Moore and Toni Weinfurtner said flight attendants were “inundated” with literature, banners, email and phone calls from Delta management about the vote. Some anti-AFA-CWA materials were even displayed on board aircraft, they said. Flight attendants were called by supervisors several times, not to talk about work schedules or other issues, but for supervisors to deliver Delta’s message about voting."

 

 

[robbedagain]

mgmt. needs to stay the flip out of the FAs with their anti union crap...  let the FAs have their flippin say   after all this is America  it is suppose to be the right for them to join a union if they choose to do so

 

[WeAAsles]

mgmt. needs to stay the flip out of the FAs with their anti union crap...  let the FAs have their flippin say   after all this is America  it is suppose to be the right for them to join a union if they choose to do so

Actually Robbed any company has the right to their opinion on why they do not want their workers to unionize. Although it should be done in a FAIR and NON HARASSING manner.

Meetings either pro or anti union should not be MANDATORY. A Union cannot make a meeting mandatory to support their viewpoint, but a company absolutely can engage in that behavior thus tipping the scales undemocratically.

Both sides should have their case heard but only if people truly are interested in hearing those sides. Otherwise they should just be left alone to do their jobs if they say to either, sorry not interested.

 

[WeAAsles]

As the D.C. Circuit’s majority opinion reads, “For seventy-five years, the National Mediation Board counted non-voters as voting against union representation, thereby requiring a majority of eligible voters to affirmatively vote for representation before a union could be certified. In 2010, the Board issued a new rule: elections will henceforth be decided by a majority of votes cast, and those not voting will be understood as acquiescing to the outcome of the election. Appellants challenge the new rule, claiming that it violates the statute and is arbitrary and capricious. Rejecting these arguments, the district court granted summary judgment to the Board.”

The judicial challenge was led by the Air Transport Association, primarily Delta Air Lines. With a district court already ruling in the NMB’s favor, today’s appellate court ruling severely damages the claim that the NMB did anything except bring its elections in line with basic democratic principles and the standard followed in every U.S. election.

Read more at: http://www.cwa-union.org/news/entry/d.c._circuit_rules_in_favor_of_nmb_rules_changes/

Non voters never should have been counted as no voters. Essentially someone who does not vote is saying that they could care less and that they're fine with others making this decision for them. 

Because of the way this rule was set up it should never be misconstrued that any employee group voted no to a union unless those votes were never counted in the first place. 

It's highly disingenuous to say otherwise. Basically a lie.


 

 

[WorldTraveler]

mgmt. needs to stay the flip out of the FAs with their anti union crap...  let the FAs have their flippin say   after all this is America  it is suppose to be the right for them to join a union if they choose to do so

take it up with the courts.

Unions DO NOT have the right to endlessly push their agenda while those who don't believe in the process AND/OR the company have to stand by on the sidelines.

If DL has violated the law regarding this, they can be punished.

DL is exercising its right to inform its employees as the intrusive unions are doing.

The simple fact - which you, the weasel, and 700 can't accept is that DL employees have CONSISTENTLY voted against unions and will continue to do so until they see a better package that can be delivered by unions than what DL employees have.

Given that DL employees are enjoying far larger pay raises coming at far greater frequencies and their total compensation is now comfortably above their peers at legacy airline, there is no rational reason why they would leave a system that is working for them to choose a process which has produced far fewer results.

Unions want not only to have the right to suppress the right of companies to speak but to tilt the campaign so that they can finally win - EVEN AFTER DL's representation elections were held to the higher standard that labor agreed to.

Other airline employee groups have voted for unions under the new rules and won.

It should be clear to anyone with half of a brain that there are solid reasons why DL employees consistently choose to not increase unionization at Delta Air Lines.

Anyone who really values democracy will respect those results.

 

[700UW]

And you can't comprehend that DL's own employees are the one's seeking representation.

 

[WeAAsles]

take it up with the courts.

Unions DO NOT have the right to endlessly push their agenda while those who don't believe in the process AND/OR the company have to stand by on the sidelines.

If DL has violated the law regarding this, they can be punished.

DL is exercising its right to inform its employees as the intrusive unions are doing.

The simple fact - which you, the weasel, and 700 can't accept is that DL employees have CONSISTENTLY voted against unions and will continue to do so until they see a better package that can be delivered by unions than what DL employees have.

You seem to have left out Kev who actually works for Delta (Unlike you or I) and who wants a Union as an employee of Delta airlines.

Given that DL employees are enjoying far larger pay raises coming at far greater frequencies and their total compensation is now comfortably above their peers at legacy airline, there is no rational reason why they would leave a system that is working for them to choose a process which has produced far fewer results.

You ignore all the items that Kev (Who is a Delta employee) has told you. He says many of your assertions are false.

Unions want not only to have the right to suppress the right of companies to speak but to tilt the campaign so that they can finally win - EVEN AFTER DL's representation elections were held to the higher standard that labor agreed to.

Other airline employee groups have voted for unions under the new rules and won.

It should be clear to anyone with half of a brain that there are solid reasons why DL employees consistently choose to not increase unionization at Delta Air Lines.

Anyone who really values democracy will respect those results.

Anyone who really values democracy will respect the wishes of those who continue to want to organize. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

And you can't comprehend that DL's own employees are the one's seeking representation.

a MINORITY of DL employees are seeking representation.

it's a democratic process which means that the desires of the majority carries the vote.

I respect Kev, baba, meto, southwind and every other active DL employee that participates in the process.

Kev is no more right in what he posts here than anyone else is here, including me. He and I can post what they want.

There is a wealth of information which counters the claims that the union supporters make.

If accuracy and fair disclosure matter, then it also involves data which some of them (and you) don't want to see.

It takes a simple MAJORITY of the members of any workgroup to call for a vote and to win the election.

A simple majority of more than a half dozen workgroups chose not to be represented after the merger and have not obtained sufficient interest to force a vote, let alone win one.

It is very obvious that this thread is an IAM driven campaign started by someone who never worked for Delta Air Lines.

If DL employees want to seek a union, they are doing so by talking with their peers at DL, not on public web forums.

 

[WeAAsles]

My Guess? Delta has a ton of those Ready Reserve guys working for them in fleet. Probably earning roughly $10 per hour in some cities. Minimum work 4 hours called in two times a day. That makes a whopping $40 earned for the day for some. I guess they can have solace in the fact that they will at least get ONE raise under their current status.

I wonder if DL does everything they can to not allow them to talk to those 20% of guys who are in Kev's station who are actually at the Top out rate?

 

[WorldTraveler]

but you really have no idea if that is true, now do you?

what we DO know is that DL's average salary is higher than AA's.


and weren't there a list of stations that used to be TWU AA mainline employees and aren't now?

how many of your coworkers in MIA, DFW, ORD etc are there because they had to move to keep their job?

 

[WeAAsles]

Now you have FINALLY returned to asking fair questions again so I can answer these and not continue to ignore you mostly.

but you really have no idea if that is true, now do you?

No I don't. But I have to believe Kev as the most reliable source of information on this thread since he actually works for DL ramp.

what we DO know is that DL's average salary is higher than AA's.

In what departments and for what workgroups?


and weren't there a list of stations that used to be TWU AA mainline employees and aren't now?

Correct, too many to count. The question for me as an individual though is do I want or care if I work for a company if it doesn't pay me a livable wage? If I'm going to be paid $10 per hour in certain cities I might as well work for Walmart. At least I'm indoors and out of the harsh weather.

how many of your coworkers in MIA, DFW, ORD etc are there because they had to move to keep their job?

Many especially in DFW. But they were contractually given that right to transfer or bump and moving allowances were paid. Up until the BK changes those people besides moving expenses were given an extra $12,500 which at the very least helped to make that unfortunate transition a little smoother.

Does DL offer the same if someone wants to work somewhere else in the country so he can be paid a decent wage to support a family?