IAM Fleet Service topic

[bagchucker]

Don’t like how hard I fight for my side ? TOUGH … this contract goes down a whole lot of workers are going to be screwed … myself included …

Freedom,

Love your passion man! You are true to your convictions, no fault there. I have worked on the PHX ramp within the last 3 years, I, too, know a little about the make-up and character of the people there, quite a bit of diversity to put it mildly. You ARE going out on a limb when you say you are speaking for the majority of the folks there!!!

Anyway, my point is this. You FEEL you are gonna be screwed if this goes down. Fair enough. I KNOW I am gonna be screwed if this gets voted in! True DAT! Stay with your instincts and vote for what you feel right, that is the democratic right we have. I will say that if this gets voted in, there will be no protection from the merger mania, and while we can't predict who is gonna merge with who at this point, it is fair to say a merger with another airline is more than just a possibility at this point (reference your own posts about the economy, fuel, etc). We at least have some protection in scope as it stands now and that could prove to be a bit more valuable for keeping a job than getting the raise we so badly need, only to be laid-off when the mergers start getting consumated.... just some thoughts...

 

[Edward]

Careful there o-man--

you don't want to set yourself up for a libel case. There have been a number of unsavory things told to me about a certain frequent poster on this board but I don't discuss it openly.

just be careful....

Lets not refer to other posters & stay on topic. Thank you.

 

[mike33]

BTW that would be YOUR side.... people i know and trust are telling me different than what i hear coming from you ... but you know what , let's take it further ...

To every person who lurks and doesn't post on here .... listen to what their saying in your station or ask around , and you'll see who is REALLY trying to dsrupt and give out false info .. in many places it's about 50/50 and that includes CLT and PHL from what i hear .

Freedom,

Oprah doesnt speak for any station. You're starting to sound like a selfproclaimed desciple of some sort.

 

[P. REZ]

Freedom,

I have heard some people in PHX say they are tired of fighting but I don't believe it for one second. That includes you. I think I know who you are and you are a fighter and I believe you will continue to show up to Union functions.


Orioleman,

OH and standing around a gate on your lunch break

having some one scream . "show your mad get angry at the company" is laughable......


Hey, you haven't seen how mean our looks are!!!lol

 

[P. REZ]

To everyone b***hing about PHX voting at the airport,

Hey people, the vote at the PHX airport is in the International concourse, which is a mile walk or drive on a tug for a majority of the employees. And so what if management is giving O.T. so that we have enough people to fill in so we can get over there and vote. What's the problem? lol, lol

 

[freedom]

Freedom,

I have heard some people in PHX say they are tired of fighting but I don't believe it for one second. That includes you. I think I know who you are and you are a fighter and I believe you will continue to show up to Union functions.


Orioleman,

OH and standing around a gate on your lunch break

having some one scream . "show your mad get angry at the company" is laughable......


Hey, you haven't seen how mean our looks are!!!lol

P rez i know who you are and i respect all that you've done for our TWU membership ... and while i'd like to think of myself as being PRO union ... i just can't see the point in fighting an unwinable fight …

I feel like these east guys are using us as a tool to get what they want … It feels to me like we’ve been the ones out here taking all the risks and doing all of the work …. How many rallies have we been joined at by East coast workers ? How many of them have been willing to cross those lines that we aren’t suppose to ? What have they done other than complain about our union ?

, I talk about fighting and they talk about changing union leadership … do you not see the fundamental problem here ? I can’t even communicate with them on the most basic premises of what it means to be union .These guys believe that by electing new people to office it will “save them “ and make everything better ….

I don’t need to become a shop steward or a union official to be part of the union , I’m a union MEMBER and as such we have a duty to try ……

I’m personally tired of trying , I feel that this company has made a FAIR offer to the membership … If we don’t accept it then I can no longer blame this company … I’ll have only one group to blame and sadly it will be our own membership .

 

[P. REZ]

Freedom,

I hear your frustrations. We have been strong to some degree in PHX and we haven't heard much from other stations. That was a concern I mentioned on an earlier post. The time value of money is the biggest reason I am voting yes on this POS TA. There are several other factors that I have mentioned also when considering my vote.

The east posters on this site have been putting forward some very good arguments. They have also been warning us on what may happen in the future with some of this language and that is scary. I think if you stick to points like COC, cost of living, weakness in our Union, the economy etc., that will speak for itself. I have received e-mails from some of the no voters who have told me they respect my views. If you also notice, some of my posts and other peoples posts are not responded to. These east guys are smart and know when a good argument has been made.

In conclusion, don't get frustrated, state your facts and the people reading these posts will make their decisions that best suit them and their families.


Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[pjirish317]

Freedom,

Its not the "EAST" that is holding the "West" "hostage". Its the I'LL ASK MANAGEMENT that is. They shelved section 6 talks to pursue a transition, per the "West members" as district force tells it. The company and the union have held you guys out West hostage for so long now that all you see are the $$$$$$$. We here on the East have seen these tactics many many times before, from both the company and especially the union. So please don't accuse us "easties" of holding you "westies" hostage, when our comany and union did it to you, not the membership. I will be voting NO on May 8th.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Freedom & P.Rez & all you others in the West:
I for one respect your opinions & how you vote is your choice. I will not say much as I probably know less than the others. But imo if you all votee for this thing & the merger occurs you've given away coc & most likely your job. So I hope your resume is ready to go. And as some one else said the East has NOT sold you guys out. I'm starving like everyone else is but there is to much to loose so my vote is NO.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Guys just to add one other thing, I would've loved to have been with you folks at your rallys but had to work & flts full. And I'm sure others will agree.

 

[P. REZ]

Freedom & P.Rez & all you others in the West:
I for one respect your opinions & how you vote is your choice. I will not say much as I probably know less than the others. But imo if you all votee for this thing & the merger occurs you've given away coc & most likely your job. So I hope your resume is ready to go. And as some one else said the East has NOT sold you guys out. I'm starving like everyone else is but there is to much to loose so my vote is NO.


coachrowsey,

I stated my opinion on COC but I hear you. If AA buys us my 21 years will probably get me DFW or LAX and if UA buys us maybe PHX, but probably DEN. I realize this possibility, I hope other westies do too.

Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[The Bagfather]

Just a point of clarification about voting place. First off,
700, the distinction should be made as to where in the
airport you can vote and where you can't. Obviously
you couldn't vote in a break room. In SAN we got the
OK to vote on airport property, I think in WN's cargo
facility.

Having to get in your car to vote whether it be 10 minutes
away or 2 hours away is a big deal. The local can
agree to change the venue but it may not be
convenient for them to do so. Or it may not be in
their interests to do so. IMO if there is a good reason
to do so they can be forced to if it is reasonable.

Note to P REZ: Thanks for coming on here Your knowledge
and feedback is valuable. I would appreciate if you would
care to indulge in speculation as to what kind of contract the
west would have by now should the TWU would have prevailed
or the IAM would have followed thru on negotiations.

My biggest gripe with this TA is I don't think it addresses the positives
of the west contract (scope and benefits in particular). I can understand
the position that all talk about the west contract is moot at this point, and
that with what we have now is the best we can get.

But I disagree with this for many reasons and they've all been pointed out
here. IMO the time is now. I can't help feeling that down the road if this TA
passes a lot of people will regret it.

 

[freedom]

Freedom,

Its not the "EAST" that is holding the "West" "hostage". Its the I'LL ASK MANAGEMENT that is. They shelved section 6 talks to pursue a transition, per the "West members" as district force tells it. The company and the union have held you guys out West hostage for so long now that all you see are the $$$$$$$. We here on the East have seen these tactics many many times before, from both the company and especially the union. So please don't accuse us "easties" of holding you "westies" hostage, when our comany and union did it to you, not the membership. I will be voting NO on May 8th.

First of all , i understand the dangers of mergers , they are going to happen , there's nothing any of us can do to stop them , and down sizing WILL happen , the only thing that i care about when downsizing occurs is that it happens in a fair and transparent manner .... if it goes by DOH for both groups on a combined list then i'll be fine with what ever happens .

As for section 6 ,now that we're looking back , i'm not sure it would have been a worthwhile bluff ... rememeber that's section six for the west , and while we are now stronger than we used to be , back then at the start of all this we were pretty weak union wise , enough in fact for it to have made sense to hand off our union without the vote , and following that line of thought it always made sense to pursue a TA , besides ,i think section six would have only helped the west right ? that would have done nothing for the east ...

you folks say there's too much to lose , but like P rez states , your losing something as we speak right now , and that's time .... all of this takes time , far too long in my view ... years of our life could pass us by as we wait for this to resolve it's self ... i can only speak for myself , but i don't want to go out like that ....

 

[700UW]

You know when are both sides gonna realize, you can huff and puff all you want, but your not going to change each other's minds?

Time to realize, agree to disagree.

 

[JoeDirt]

I noticed a very curious thing today. Several people I spoke with who previously stated they were probably
voting yes are suddenly re-thinking their vote. The reason they were changing their minds had more to do
with a potential merger than anything else. They had always thought the T/A was a POS but didn't think anything
better was going to come along. Now they are saying that they did not want to be locked in with this T/A for the
next 5 years or so in the event of a merger.