IAM Fleet Service topic

[giantfan]

As I have said before its all about this damn so called New Direction team that some how is going to come in and save the day for us all.
I say BS, they wont and if this is voted down again its going to be a long hot summer for us all.
So wake up people its time to move on.

AMEN my friend! Let's get everyone on the same page with wages and benefits before we go fighting the good fight. I think it's kind of ironic how those who are topped out in the EAST are the ones talking about "brotherhood & solidarity" when they are on the higher end of these bancraptcy wages we still make. If they were living in PHL on these class II salaries they would be applying for food stamps and getting them!!!

Again on a personal note....until philly can load an airplane without screwing a "brother" on the other end, lots of us have no love loss for our philly bretheren!

 

[cltrat]

As I have said many times here, I did not vote for the POS bankrupt contract becasue of the two tier payscale. Now if you want to, how about we bring the west and class 2 up to your scale and than do nothing else than we can move on to 2009 hows that, would that work for you.
As far as the cities that were on that list DFW was on that list and from what I see what really became the reason that we no longer are in danger is becasue of a merger with HP.
So with that agrument one can look at this agreement and see that if we go ahead and vote in this deal that some of the cities listed may also find new hope in a megred comapny with UA. or whoever.
See a meger can be a good thing, thats why the language say MAY be outsoursed.
As I have said before if we do nothing here and let this agreement die those cities that are now listed are in real danger of being gone very soon, you can choose to beleive that or not.
I just dont think we should gamble with those guys jobs, this agreement gives them time.
How many airlines do you see today giving anyone raisies today, or better scope protection and bringing back doubletime. I have not seen many here agrue that.
As I have said before its all about this damn so called New Direction team that some how is going to come in and save the day for us all.
I say BS, they wont and if this is voted down again its going to be a long hot summer for us all.
So wake up people its time to move on.

let's see I believe two airlines have given out raises recently both CO and UA did one without even having a union. I have no issue with bringing west and class two up to scale if there is no extension beyond 09 of course we know your boy RC being the crook he is ,is deadset on handing us on a silver platter to UA. won't do that
will New Direction be any better? I guess time will tell they sure won't be as dishonest as a group that has lied to us time and time again.

and before you yap about a topped out eastie I'm not topped out and no way in h*ll am I voting for an agreement with 1% and change raise when I can wait and get 2 % in Jan as it is

everyone wants to preach do whats best for you well me and a few hundred non topped out co workers are

 

[perserverance]

QUOTE (Districtforce)
Talk to our TWA members and I'm sure they would tell you NOT to scare away United only to end up with American.

When American took over TWA the goverment and the union allowed a procedure
called ''stapling''. This allowed the surviving carrier to basicallly ''staple'' the members
form the other airline to the bottom of thier current employee seniority roster. That
practice has been outlawed. The goverment voted against this procedure, posted in
January of this year :

''The McCaskill-Bond amendment requires just two of the labor protections: that "provisions shall be made for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and equitable manner" and that disputes over seniority be submitted to binding arbitration.''

This was introduced and passed after American stapled TWA to the bottom.

Thanks

 

[roabilly]

Quote: Jester (Excerpt)

"East is unharmed, except they no longer have the leverage of West's Section 6 to use for East advantage in getting a better contract before the end of 2009. It is a strain of credulily to find East to be "harmed" because they can no long use the backs of the West to stand upon in order to get something for themselves while claiming to treat West as equals within this organization."

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Mr. Jester…

I see no problem with West getting forced, or folded into the East Agreement without a vote, provided we send a resounding NO on this substandard Tentative Agreement.

This would actually benefit West, by giving them the long desired monetary increase. West would also be awarded both Profit Sharing, and Change in Control language.

So.. I say let Canale honor his threat! West will still benefit!

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

Right, ROA! Every time Canale breaks the rules we benefit:

7.50 to 9 dollars an hour

Profit sharing

Hopefully a RAISE!

It will help you guys on the East in the long run. Maybe, then, we will help you with the no vote when they wipe their backside with a piece of paper and tell us to vote on it.

 

[pit 4ever]

why is this so hard to figure out.if you want to vote yes go ahead.if you want to vote no go ahead.dont let anyone make your mind up for you.all the info you need is on iam websites,the internet,etc.talk to union brothers and sisters who are not paid by the iam.the ones who have the same stakes that you do.the choice is yours and dont let anyone convince you otherwise.step up and take responsibility for yourself.be your own man or woman.but remember that the company is spending about 110 million dollars to cover the costs in this t/a.hard to believe they are doing this out of kindness for us.they are doing this for their benefit not yours.if the cic language is not important then why does the company want to eliminate it.who needs the extension more and how does it benefit us.why eliminate profit sharing if like the company says we wont be making a profit in the near future anyway.i for one am going to help the company this time and tell them to keep their money for now.better luck next time.and oh yes they will be back.

 

[roabilly]

Quote: Distract Farce (Excerpt)

"United Airlines is considering Continental but its most likely partner will be US AIRWAYS. Everything is set up for United but United isn't going to sign any merger agreement that contains the Change in Control merger protections or West scopes, so it's only a pipe dream if you think your company will be able to attract a merger partner without first removing the Change in Control and the scope clauses of the west agreement."

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Well Goodness Gracious!

Mr. IAM himself has finally acknowledged that COC has some Validity!

What a sudden revelation coming from someone who has repeatedly downplayed the importance of this language!

Hmmmm…well… now Mr. Farce…As we (Fleet) have stated in this thread for months…we (Fleet) don’t have a problem dropping our hard earned, merger impeding COC from our CBA.

However… we will demand a fair... Legacy Carrier Industry Standard compensation package in return for the removal of the language.

Obviously… you… as well as your boss have ignored our terms, regarding this simple affordable request.

Please earn some respect for yourself from these dues paying members. You can do this by affording them the unbiased, and objective representation they deserve. This Membership sees through the corrupt regime that you support.

 

[P. REZ]

Districtforce,

I can probably say this with confidence about the west and and how they feel about a merger with UA.
F#$K that, so we can be abused by the current IAM leadership in integration talks AGAIN.



Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[giantfan]

However… we will demand a fair... Legacy Carrier Industry Standard compensation package in return for the removal of the language.

Hey Roa...

That would be cool if we WERE a Legacy Carrier, last I checked we worked for USAirways, the pos airline with 2 previous bankruptcies with a reputation as a joke among the big dogs....

We are NOT UA, AA, or DL....so let's not compare apples to oranges here.

 

[giantfan]

I can probably say this with confidence about the west and and how they feel about a merger with UA.
F#$K that, so we can be abused by the current IAM leadership in integration talks AGAIN.



Respectfully,

P. REZ

Here's a little wake up call........it doesn't matter what you say or east Fleet says......it will happen if the two airlines want it to happen. We have no power, no golden ticket, nothing, nada. We are fleet, keep everything in perspective folks! Don't even start on the CIC either.....

 

[roabilly]

Hey Roa...

That would be cool if we WERE a Legacy Carrier, last I checked we worked for USAirways, the pos airline with 2 previous bankruptcies with a reputation as a joke among the big dogs....

We are NOT UA, AA, or DL....so let's not compare apples to oranges here.

G-F

Perhaps the brilliant Union strategist 700… or Distract Farce…can clarify our standing in the Airline Industry.

(Hint: If you want to learn the answer yourself… read the financial publications)

 

[P. REZ]

giantfan,

Never said I wanted to control a merger with UA. My reply was to Districtforce when he said with COC and west scope language UA wouldn't merge with us.

My reply if you look again was aimed at the IAM leadership and their lack of representing the west.

Respectfully,

P. REZ

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

When American took over TWA the goverment and the union allowed a procedure
called ''stapling''. This allowed the surviving carrier to basicallly ''staple'' the members
form the other airline to the bottom of thier current employee seniority roster.

Really? The government allowed it? :blink:

The TWU and the IAM went to binding arbitration,they didn't tell you that did they? The IAM didn't like the arbitrator's decision, but they did go to arbitration.

 

[roabilly]

G-F

Before I run off for the day...I thought I would post this information for you, regarding who is who… in the "Legacy Carrier ZOO !

You will find this information easily… Just Google “Leagacy Airlinesâ€, and a whole host of information indentical to this will be there.
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(From "Wikipedia")

While mainly used in the United States (See "The Big Six" Below), other examples of legacy "mainline airline" carriers from around the world include Air Canada, Avianca, British Airways, Lufthansa, LAN Airlines and Aeromexico.
The "Big Six"

• American Airlines
• Continental Airlines
• Delta Air Lines
• Northwest Airlines
• United Airlines
• US Airways

 

[YVINTERN]

G-F

Before I run off for the day...I thought I would post this information for you, regarding who is who… in the "Legacey Carrier ZOO !

You will find this information easily… Just Google “Leagcey Airlinesâ€, and a whole host of information indentical to this will be there.
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While mainly used in the United States (See "The Big Six" Below), other examples of legacy "mainline airline" carriers from around the world include Air Canada, Avianca, British Airways, Lufthansa, LAN Airlines and Aeromexico.
The "Big Six"

• American Airlines
• Continental Airlines
• Delta Air Lines
• Northwest Airlines
• United Airlines
• US Airways

Legacey is spelled Legacy...

and ever since NW/DL Merged*
*=(Merged=Merging)
It's going to be the Big Fiver-oos Soon.