IAM Fleet Service topic

[necigrad]

Tim Nelson can provide all the quotes and bylaws rules he wants but if fleet service doesn't vote for this agreement then you can forget about any United Airline merger and start filling out job applications. Is Tim Nelson going to employ you when you all could lose your jobs if you don't make yourself affordable to a potential investor.

That's not our job, it's the Companies. And if the Company cannot provide a contract that satisfies a vast majority of the workgroup things are likely to happen that will make the Company LESS appealing for a merger.

Remember, if your company doesn't merge, NO WAY it will be able to survive the oil crisis. Do your part and support your negotiations team which has worked closely with your company in positioning it for an upcoming merger.

Actually we already did merge. That's why we're in the current disaster/lack or representation. I could also point out that when the merger was first anounced in '05 Parker said that the business plan was profitable even at $70/barrel. Now, granted we're much higher then that now, but we're still profitable. Oil will also go down eventually, once the dollar gets stronger.

If you are full time, your family coverage will go to: $316 month if you chose the best plan. If part-time it is doubled to $632. My understanding is that your full timers pay something like $125 month? This is a cost of almost $200 cash a month out of your new wage if you are full-time. This alone is a $1.65 per hour wage tax on west siders. Notice, you have to make about $300 extra dollars to pay the $200 since you have to include taxes on your new wage.

Not an "apples to apples" comparison, but I'm paying $5.50/check as a full timer. That's being single and on the HMO. And the HMO is perfectly suitable for me. I even had surgery for under $200 after ALL the copays, including medication. Can I get a deal like that on the East medical?

 

[lithuanian]

It' commendable that everyone on this web believe we all deserve better and we are out to preserve families and the company related to our welfare.

After reading for days the 'yeahs' and 'nays ', Perhaps we should be looking at it at the standpoint of the union.

They have many times extolled the fact this merge is the worst any union has dealt with. And by rights they have been less than perfect! BUT!

They are trying to relay our place in us airways position.

They have possibly don't have ample experience to challenge the likes of the company: But! They are trying like H###! to survive as a airline union for our sake!

The likes of this TA for AWA and US AIRWAYS is less than perfect, but it might be the result of relying on employees to trust in a union that goes the length for any of us. If this TA is not radified the IAM may even be eliminated in the future due to another merger. If this TA is denied it will possibly sink the IAM and result in the total elimination of any union. Isn't this the ultimate plan of this airline?

 

[orioleman]

districtforce,
"Randy Canale's letter is clear that this agreement puts you in position for the next round of bargaining. More importantly, it provides your carrier with a merger friendly agreement. Now isn't the time to debate as your company has to attract investors otherwise it will end up like Aloha. It will be gone!"


Hey tommy boy . you forgot .."Fight (ha ha ) to live another day " were going to liquidate .. the sky is falling the sky is falling

case Randy isn't aware of it . and you being the numbers guy you are. got a news flash for ya.. WE ARE NOT IN BANKRUPTCY

3 billion in cash .. tommy boy . how much did ALOHA have in cash.

 

[lithuanian]

And as a SIDE BAR! Isn't the union of DELTA and NORTHWEST trying to get the US government to cover their pension. That' what we're reading. PBGC is the group that takes over defunct pensions when airlines go into Bankruptcy.

The IAM is the LAST of an employee pensions. If we merge, I believe US AIRWAYS and the other airline will try to eliminate IAM and their pension so the existing airline doesn't have to pay towards it.

So, we either help the union with this TA or the next airline will dictate our pension and contract. It's our choice.

 

[orioleman]

TR sez,
"The alternative is to vote this contract down and close this airline."

Geez tommy boy I thought we were just mindless unskilled labor . how could a bunch of lowly rampers close this airline

damn if we have this much clout maybe the bar should have been raised to say 24.00 an hour . I didn't realize how important we

really are . Our union has never told us .

"United Airlines is considering Continental but its most likely partner will be US AIRWAYS. Everything is set up for United but United isn't going to sign any merger agreement that contains the Change in Control merger protections or West scopes"

there you go boys and girls right from the union horses bosses mouth. the speculation over there being a merger is over tommy boy

just tipped his educated hand and told you IT is going to happen . So lets all throw away our only protection in the event of a merger

which according to the union boss IS happening away for a sliver of silver. NOT :down:

 

[mike33]

stations that Canale put on the list of his first contract at US AIRWAYS. They said they didn't think these cities would be gone and that the list was just to separate for flight activity sake.
ABE, AVL, AVP, BGM, BTV, CAE, CAK, CHA, CHS, CRW, DAY, DEN, DFW, ELM, ERI, FAY, GRR, GSP, IAH, ILM ITH, LAS, LEX, MDT, MEM, MKE, MSP, MYR, PHX, PNS, PWM, BOR, SAN, SBN, SDF, SEA, SFO, SNA, STL, TOL, TRI, TYS.
All except SFO, DFW, LAS are gone for east purposes.

Then in 2003 canale drew up a new list of stations that can be outsourced: MDT ABE
MSP CLE DTW PNS GSO PWM IAH MKE MCI ALB ATL. Each one was eliminated shortly after the 'drop dead' date.
The new list is the 19 stations plus the 4 other stations not mentioned.

You know, my take on all of this is the NC hasn't done what it professes to do. This union put certain clauses in this agreement ( meaning the east ) for a reason. It's the poison pill but can be overcome with certain conditions/language/pay that it was originally put in there to protect. Its there...they want it ...so give it to them for christ sake. Just not on the backs of those who have already given twice. Send them back to the table.

I lose my seniority ok.....no big deal....as I said before, I can trade for what I need, but I'll be damned if I will vote yes with possibillity of being laid-off for the 6th time. Heed those words all. You might wish you had. I've worked for 2 1/2 yrs with west employees in my station and I feel their pain, but beware the one whom you pay to protect you!

 

[28L_or_10R?]

I have been drinking a Califolrnian Merlot (2004) and I am inebriated. I will soon have something to say. There is a word in my mouth and I want to share it with you.

 

[cltrat]

I have been drinking a Califolrnian Merlot (2004) and I am inebriated. I will soon have something to say. There is a word in my mouth and I want to share it with you.

now that's funny I can't wait you really should leave that wine alone and try some good whisky though

 

[Hadenough]

And as a SIDE BAR! Isn't the union of DELTA and NORTHWEST trying to get the US government to cover their pension. That' what we're reading. PBGC is the group that takes over defunct pensions when airlines go into Bankruptcy.

The IAM is the LAST of an employee pensions. If we merge, I believe US AIRWAYS and the other airline will try to eliminate IAM and their pension so the existing airline doesn't have to pay towards it.
So, we either help the union with this TA or the next airline will dictate our pension and contract. It's our choice.

Thats why I would rather have a 401k with a company match. Let me be responsible for my own retirement.

I know its not going anywhere. I am perfectly capable of managing my own investments.

 

[roadtrip]

I have been drinking a Califolrnian Merlot (2004) and I am inebriated. I will soon have something to say. There is a word in my mouth and I want to share it with you.

Sure seems that way to me look at the way you spelled California. That must be quite a good bottle drink well and don't drive!


Roadtrip!

 

[28L_or_10R?]

I'm well into my 40s. My dad died at 45. Bad heart, alcoholic, chain smoker, ate red meat for breakfast, lunch, dinner. An amoral womanizer who could make an alley cat blush. My life has been dedicated in the pursuit of not being him. I fight for the weak and bad guys pee their pants when I walk down the street. Now, I am a dead animal on the side of the road and Doug Parker America West US Airways is a buzzard picking at my corpse. I could go elsewhere but when you get old nobody wants you anymore.

Are you folks departing on 28L? I'll point your nose in that direction...

 

[necigrad]

The IAM is the LAST of an employee pensions. If we merge, I believe US AIRWAYS and the other airline will try to eliminate IAM and their pension so the existing airline doesn't have to pay towards it.

The pensions that were eliminated had TREMENDOUS back payments due, in the millions. That is why the airlines are trying to dump them. The IAM pension is different in that the Company doesn't make matching payments but they deduct the payments from payroll (I think). This eliminates the need for a seperate payment, and thus it actually gets paid. At least I think that's how it works.

OTOH, I prefer a 401(k).

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Sure seems that way to me look at the way you spelled California. That must be quite a good bottle drink well and don't drive!


Roadtrip!

mmm... Piggly Wiggly... they were once in West Virginia but you will only find them down south now. Piggly Wiggly beats Kroger and Giant Eagle's a$$!!!

 

[Henderfuzz]

Well we had a meeting in our station the other day and what we decided was that all those that vote yes get the raise and those that vote not get to keep the bankrupt contract.
We thought that seemd fair how about you guys?

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Well we had a meeting in our station the other day and what we decided was that all those that vote yes get the raise and those that vote not get to keep the bankrupt contract.
We thought that seemd fair how about you guys?

I think you have been drinking more Merlot than I.