IAM Fleet Service topic

[mike33]

Well we had a meeting in our station the other day and what we decided was that all those that vote yes get the raise and those that vote not get to keep the bankrupt contract.
We thought that seemd fair how about you guys?

you are beginning to sound like the pilots thread. Give your fellow employees some serious input..........

 

[Henderfuzz]

I have read many here I have yet to see anything that can be a logical reason for turning down this less than perfact T/A.
What I would like to know is there anything you really think we will gain by not voting for this agreement. I for one dont see it. Not at this time with the condition of our industry.
The hubs and east class 1 dont gain as much as the class 2 and west, but can bring us all together under one agreement and we will all join together and fight for a stronger deal in the future.
I really feel that if this goes down again it will once again show that the east hubs dont really give a crap about us in the west or class 2. You say you do but when you understand we are suffering out here with this economy than maybe some will find it in yourselves to vote yes.
I talked with somone who was in PHL and asked them what they thought about the deal.
He said Im voting no. When asked did you read it, he said no and in fact when he tried they just took it from him and was told it was a POS.
So you see guys, those who favor this ageement this is what we face in places like PHL and CLT.
They have a pack metality and just follow there buds off the cliff.
So sorry Tim but I dont see how we will even have that solidairty you so desire.
Becasue this is not solidairty its intimadation.

 

[perserverance]

I'd like to know who on this site is still undecided in your vote and if you
could would you tell us which arguments are helping you in your decision.
Unless you know the names behind the posters its' difficult to believe the
contents of the post. I for one work out of Phl and I can tell you the belief
that the hubs might be 50/50 is incorrect. Phl is dead set against this and
this TA is worse than the previous TA in Sept...I am in no way suggesting the
past TA was acceptable, I'm simply saying this one is worse. Remember were
not asking the company to talk to us, thier asking us to talk. We don't need
a TA but if the company wants one then they'll have to offer us a better offer
to sign on for another 4 years.

A TA is suppose to be just that a transition not a whole new agreement. Thats'
what traditional bargaining is for towards the end of a current agreement. This TA
reads like it came right from Al Hemingways computer directly to us, delivered by
Canale and I'm not sure he even opened the envelope. He states he'll support our
group whatever we decide, bull. The old ''don't kill the messenger'' applies , I guess.

Thanks

 

[28L_or_10R?]

I'd like to know who on this site is still undecided in your vote and if you
could would you tell us which arguments are helping you in your decision.
Unless you know the names behind the posters its' difficult to believe the
contents of the post. I for one work out of Phl and I can tell you the belief
that the hubs might be 50/50 is incorrect. Phl is dead set against this and
this TA is worse than the previous TA in Sept...I am in no way suggesting the
past TA was acceptable, I'm simply saying this one is worse. Remember were
not asking the company to talk to us, thier asking us to talk. We don't need
a TA but if the company wants one then they'll have to offer us a better offer
to sign on for another 4 years.

A TA is suppose to be just that a transition not a whole new agreement. Thats'
what traditional bargaining is for towards the end of a current agreement. This TA
reads like it came right from Al Hemingways computer directly to us, delivered by
Canale and I'm not sure he even opened the envelope. He states he'll support our
group whatever we decide, bull. The old ''don't kill the messenger'' applies , I guess.

Thanks

I am still undecided. Shall I be Judas or Pontious Pilate?

 

[perserverance]

''28L''- Thier one and the same, one kissed his best friend knowing he
was sending him to die. While the other turned a blind eye and washed
his hands. How about you be one of the Ladies and never question your
faith (good thought though). If your union you know whats' right and whats wrong, 18 cities with
my vote....NO, Thats' one of the many reasons but a union agreement with
language basically killing a members livelyhood is not acceptable at all....
like I said though, one of many.

Thanks

*oh and I voted No on any past agreement seeking the same. Don't blame me
for working in a so called class one city. Thats' just where I work.

 

[orioleman]

Tim Nelson can provide all the quotes and bylaws rules he wants but if fleet service doesn't vote for this agreement then you can forget about any United Airline merger and start filling out job applications. Is Tim Nelson going to employ you when you all could lose your jobs if you don't make yourself affordable to a potential investor.

Randy Canale's letter is clear that this agreement puts you in position for the next round of bargaining. More importantly, it provides your carrier with a merger friendly agreement. Now isn't the time to debate as your company has to attract investors otherwise it will end up like Aloha. It will be gone!

United Airlines is considering Continental but its most likely partner will be US AIRWAYS. Everything is set up for United but United isn't going to sign any merger agreement that contains the Change in Control merger protections or West scopes, so it's only a pipe dream if you think your company will be able to attract a merger partner without first removing the Change in Control and the scope clauses of the west agreement. Good luck with American if you run United away. Talk to our TWA members and I'm sure they would tell you NOT to scare away United only to end up with American.

I also think Randy Canale should get more credit from this group. Nelson points to Continental wages as being higher but Continental never went bankrupt. Nelson points to mechanics getting 30% across the board increases BUT you are not skilled labor. And the 200% bonus' for company executives is normal in this industry. Is it fair? No! But compare apples with apples! The alternative is to vote this contract down and close this airline. Fleet service must listen to its leaders who have fought for you at the negotiations table and understand that if this contract is not passed then it will be very hard for US AIRWAYS to attract potential investors.
Mergers are going to happen and you MUST position your company in a way that makes it attractive to investors. We had to give up protections for the west and the east so fleet service will be in position in 2011 for traditional bargaining. Ask yourself and be honest, do you think another airline wants to buy you and then have to negotiate a brand new contract in 2009?
As Randy said, this deal isn't perfect but the one thing it will do is preserve jobs for many of you. Mergers are a necessary evil in this situation and no contract and no union will be able to stop layoffs.

Remember, if your company doesn't merge, NO WAY it will be able to survive the oil crisis. Do your part and support your negotiations team which has worked closely with your company in positioning it for an upcoming merger.

Guys I am usually not one to quote a whole book from someone . so please bear with me..
for the west guys READ the above post . it is almost identical to tommy R speech when he came around the breakrooms in BK 2.. only difference then WE WERE GOING OUT OF BUISNESS.. this is your UNION brass trying to intimidate
you.. Please read between the lines. If the T/A was so good they wouldn't haven't to resort to threatening you that the airline is going
to shut down and no one will be your dance partner. IF the T/A was soo good it would sell it self. and not be PUSHED down our throats
with threats of liquidation and such. Come on . I know you guys out west haven't heard this song before but we on the east have twice already . Tommy boy you need to get another speech writer this recycling the same old same old isn't flying anymore.

sorry for long post

ps perv . you better stay out of trouble.

 

[lithuanian]

We will accept this TA to help IAM survive our pensions. Any merger from this point on might eliminate this and the results will be given to the Federal government. PBGC. Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation. If the IAM doesn't win the TA we have to ask how the IAM pension will be provided for.

We, need to support the IAM or pensions will not be provided.

 

[Henderfuzz]

''28L''- Thier one and the same, one kissed his best friend knowing he
was sending him to die. While the other turned a blind eye and washed
his hands. How about you be one of the Ladies and never question your
faith (good thought though). If your union you know whats' right and whats wrong, 18 cities with
my vote....NO, Thats' one of the many reasons but a union agreement with
language basically killing a members livelyhood is not acceptable at all....
like I said though, one of many.

Thanks

How about the sorry axx wages we in the west and class 2 are having to live with as killing our livleyhood. Oh thats right you dont get that, your already making 17.36 and hour.

 

[necigrad]

I have read many here I have yet to see anything that can be a logical reason for turning down this less than perfact T/A.

People have presented many arguements for and against the TA. Few of them have been illogical. If you haven't seen any logical arguements against the TA you need to open your eyes and mind. Just because you don't agree doesn't make it illogical, just in opposition to what you think.

We will accept this TA to help IAM survive our pensions. Any merger from this point on might eliminate this and the results will be given to the Federal government. PBGC. Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation. If the IAM doesn't win the TA we have to ask how the IAM pension will be provided for.

We, need to support the IAM or pensions will not be provided.

Ummm... Say WTF?!?!?!? That's 100% WRONG! IF there was a contract that stopped the pension it would NOT affect the pension other then for new contributions. The PBGC doesn't have anything to do with that. This pension isn't the Companies, it's independant. I don't know what would happen to those not vested if we stopped, but once you're in, you're in.

How about the sorry axx wages we in the west and class 2 are having to live with as killing our livleyhood. Oh thats right you dont get that, your already making 17.36 and hour.

Hey, I'm only making $12.65/hour, and I'm still voting no.

 

[perserverance]

How about the sorry axx wages we in the west and class 2 are having to live with as killing our livleyhood. Oh thats right you dont get that, your already making 17.36 and hour.

Fuzz when that agreement was voted in didn't you want to thank those who voted yes for
letting you know your future ahead of time or is that just for these class 2 stations that owe
you a thanks for voting yes on this TA and giving them the same thing you gripe about
now. Also you can't blame a person for where they work. I live in Phl, are you suggesting I'm
to blame for the wages you recieve. You probably voted for them last time because maybe
something else caught your eye. Look at the ''Whole Picture'' this time.

Thanks

 

[RAPUNZEL]

From United's BOD website
http://ir.united.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=83680...rol-homeProfile

United Employees

Employee Group, Union, Number of
Employees, Contract Open for
Amendment
Pilots ALPA 6,518 January 1, 2010
Flight Attendants AFA 15,038 January 8, 2010
Mechanics & Related AMFA 5,551 January 1, 2010
Public Contract Employees/Ramp &
Stores/Security Officers/Food Service Employees/Maintenance Instructors/Fleet
Technical Instructors IAM 17,321 January 1, 2010
Dispatchers PAFCA 172 January 1, 2010
Engineers IFPTE 261 January 1, 2010
Salaried & Management - 10,360 -
Total Employee Group 55,221

 

[700UW]

We will accept this TA to help IAM survive our pensions. Any merger from this point on might eliminate this and the results will be given to the Federal government. PBGC. Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation. If the IAM doesn't win the TA we have to ask how the IAM pension will be provided for.

We, need to support the IAM or pensions will not be provided.

Where do you get your info?

Your statements are not correct, the IAMNPF is a multi-employer plan, it is in no danger of being terminated and turned over to the PBGC.

The IAMNPF is all ready in the East CBA and the money is being paid into the plan for each employee.

Where do you pull these crazy ideas from?

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

Talk to our TWA members and I'm sure they would tell you NOT to scare away United only to end up with American.

Oddly enough, most of the TWA guys I work with have nothing good to say about the IAM, so be careful what you wish for.They aren't fans of the TWU by any stretch of the imagination, but as far as the IAM goes, they feel that they were left to swing in the breeze.

 

[Henderfuzz]

Fuzz when that agreement was voted in didn't you want to thank those who voted yes for
letting you know your future ahead of time or is that just for these class 2 stations that owe
you a thanks for voting yes on this TA and giving them the same thing you gripe about
now. Also you can't blame a person for where they work. I live in Phl, are you suggesting I'm
to blame for the wages you recieve. You probably voted for them last time because maybe
something else caught your eye. Look at the ''Whole Picture'' this time.

Thanks

As I have said many times here, I did not vote for the POS bankrupt contract becasue of the two tier payscale. Now if you want to, how about we bring the west and class 2 up to your scale and than do nothing else than we can move on to 2009 hows that, would that work for you.
As far as the cities that were on that list DFW was on that list and from what I see what really became the reason that we no longer are in danger is becasue of a merger with HP.
So with that agrument one can look at this agreement and see that if we go ahead and vote in this deal that some of the cities listed may also find new hope in a megred comapny with UA. or whoever.
See a meger can be a good thing, thats why the language say MAY be outsoursed.
As I have said before if we do nothing here and let this agreement die those cities that are now listed are in real danger of being gone very soon, you can choose to beleive that or not.
I just dont think we should gamble with those guys jobs, this agreement gives them time.
How many airlines do you see today giving anyone raisies today, or better scope protection and bringing back doubletime. I have not seen many here agrue that.
As I have said before its all about this damn so called New Direction team that some how is going to come in and save the day for us all.
I say BS, they wont and if this is voted down again its going to be a long hot summer for us all.
So wake up people its time to move on.

 

[WTF_CLT]

They did? Most of those men were part of the gentry and educational elite. They certainly were not Fabians, especially as only those who owned land were allowed to vote (and let's not begin to discuss women's suffrage and slavery).

Hey, it's great to wrap oneself in the flag to make a point, but it looks silly when contrary to the facts.

So Reviews Jester.

They certainly were the elite! They openly declared treason, put their substantial land holdings at risk as well as the very lives of themselves and their families all for the TRUE cause of resisting tyrannical rule. These men made a real difference to the world. Most unlike some nonsensical, effete posters who refer to themselves in the third person.....