IAM Fleet Service topic

[freedom]

prove it and why are they talking to us to start with ?? is it because they like us??

btw do you guys in phx have a working " O" key on the company computers? if so how about learning how to final a load plan as in BO(that's bags outbound for you phx guys) instead of all bags on the plane list as BL come on is it really that hard?

well GEE , if they liked us , they wouldn't be asking us to GIVE UP 18 field stations!!!!! or is it simply so convenient that we all have amnesia when it comes to the 18 FIELD STATIONS that we're giving up....

has it occurred to anyone that maybe what the company wants are the 18 FIELD STATIONS , listed in the TA ???

I’d like to forget about the field stations too , that there are people there , our brothers and sisters , our friends … but it’s always in the back of my mind …

What we’re about to do is horrible … however it’s necessary to our survival … we here on the west CANNOT continue with these wages as the US economy falls to pieces . these are hard times , they require hard choices .

Voting yes is necessary for us on the west , and sensible for those of you on the east ….

 

[NETOSETONE]

I would rather wait until we merge with another carrier and then have it all out in 2009. After the airline industry consolidates and raises prices on tickets there is going to be much more money to go around.

I do not want to get stuck with some backseat cheap deal for years when all this happens while Parker and crew have more $$$ thrown at them.

There is going to be much more money to go around after they consolidate, then raise ticket prices? I'll have some of whatever your smoking <_<

 

[Districtforce]

prove it and why are they talking to us to start with ?? is it because they like us??

btw do you guys in phx have a working " O" key on the company computers? if so how about learning how to final a load plan as in BO(that's bags outbound for you phx guys) instead of all bags on the plane list as BL come on is it really that hard?

All these negotiations were because of potential investment in your company. Without M & A activity your company would not have come back to the table. That is why it is crucial for this agreement to ratify. Do you think any merging partner will want the CIC in your contract?

I agree that once mergers are completed, there will be less competition, ticket prices will be higher and wages will have greater potential. This is precisely my point! Ratify your agreement and position yourself for 2011.

If you reject this tentative, any merging partner will shelve transition talks until 2009 and dispute the CIC. It would not make any sense to initiate transition talks if the contract is ammendable in 12 months. So you make up 2 years but lose the wage gains for the class 2 and west stations. What will the economy be like in 2009? Alot of if's. Is that fair to the west and class 2's?

 

[Black Magic]

There is going to be much more money to go around after they consolidate, then raise ticket prices? I'll have some of whatever your smoking <_<

Ummm why do you think the airline industry is trying to consolidate/merge? Just maybe because there is wayyy to much competition out there. Less competition equals more money. Basic economics. Airline tickets are way to cheap especially domestic travel. The airline are trying to take back the industry.

I also believe we are fully able to merge with another airline even without a TA. Dougie already demonstrated that with the bid for Delta.

 

[NETOSETONE]

If I were to put myself in the position of negotiator I doubt I would have even been able to get this much … I commend the men and women on our NC for doing what I think is an acceptable job in these bad times .

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Got news for yahh Freedom...

There were no Negotiations! This entire deal was cut behind closed doors while the rest of the Negations Committee twiddled their thumbs in a separate conference room!

According to our sources, that were actually there… in Negations… the whole final agreement was presented to them without their input!

It took a matter of minutes to get a finalization of the agreement!

I submit to this forum…This reeks of injustice, and corruption!

Now…do you honestly think that you are getting the representation that you are paying for?

Sources huh........rrrrrrriggggghhhhtttttttt!

 

[NETOSETONE]

R-Billy,

Couldn't help but notice you big VOTE NO sign. Said above it "reduced 39%" ! Glad to see you're beginning to see our side of the story.

 

[roabilly]

If you reject this tentative, any merging partner will shelve transition talks until 2009 and dispute the CIC. It would not make any sense to initiate transition talks if the contract is ammendable in 12 months. So you make up 2 years but lose the wage gains for the class 2 and west stations. What will the economy be like in 2009? Alot of if's. Is that fair to the west and class 2's?

Mr. Farce…

You have finally admitted the significance of the COC, in our current agreement.

Now… let’s get down to the “Nitty Grittyâ€â€¦I would personally love to merge with a large carrier such as United Airlines. I agree that would position us (LCC) as a formidable combined carrier, as far as future Airline Business Models go.

Now the question is...are you, as a Union Official… willing to take the responsibility of committing this Fleet Group to a substandard…industry following…Collective Bargaining Agreement to achieve this scenario?

 

[roadtrip]

District Force,
So When us no folks vote this thing out when do you think the company will come crawling back to us? You know they will!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Sources huh........rrrrrrriggggghhhhtttttttt!

Randy Canale left the whole entire negotiations team at the hotel. Bottom line, ask any of your negotiators and you should get your answer. That was on Thursday. Then on Friday when they were suppose to negotiate together, Hemenway walks in, hands a prearragned offer, sez it's his final offer and Randy accepts. This negotiations session lasted 4 minutes.

Even before anyone saw the language, all negotiators except two gave their thumbs up.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[NETOSETONE]

Hear yahh Wiser…

I think you may actually be a little like me… 30 years… Ex-Piedmont…

I know the deal! It has become, for me at least… a matter of right and wrong. When I see the upper echelons of this Union, and Company… reaping huge rewards from our hard labor and sacrifices… I’ve got ahh problem.

When we merge, as we will…soon …I want to think that… I fought as hard as possible for what I think is right. Not what will benefit me as a person! That is what is wrong in this world…we have lost our ability to look out for one another!

Guy’s like Distract Farce, will try to convince us (Fleet) that we are at a disadvantage and…we are in terrible economic times for this industry.

I reality, they themselves are well compensated for imposing their opinions on us!

Mr. Roabilly
Are you saying that airlines are not suffering through terrible economic times? You may want to pick up a copy of the USA today paper, and look at the money section. There is airline news just about every other day, and it's not all that positive. You want to play russian roulette with your future, go for it, and by the way, good luck!

 

[roabilly]

Mr Farce...

We are…awaiting a response to my last post…

You… represent us…come clean… earn your money!

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

What we’re about to do is horrible … however it’s necessary to our survival … we here on the west CANNOT continue with these wages as the US economy falls to pieces . these are hard times , they require hard choices .

I'm sure Judas Iscariot used similar logic to justify his thirty pieces of silver...

 

[NETOSETONE]

Randy Canale left the whole entire negotiations team at the hotel. Bottom line, ask any of your negotiators and you should get your answer. That was on Thursday. Then on Friday when they were suppose to negotiate together, Hemenway walks in, hands a prearragned offer, sez it's his final offer and Randy accepts. This negotiations session lasted 4 minutes.

Even before anyone saw the language, all negotiators except two gave their thumbs up.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

Oh, it's Tim......I should have known better.

 

[necigrad]

However, I am concerned with the leadership in LAS as I have heard that some leaders are only out for their own political gain and this has caused the type of division that might be critical to ratification. The rank and file in LAS needs to realize that if LAS doesn't have a strong vote for ratification that this tentative agreement and your increased wages will once again become the hostages of the east. I doubt many of you want this? In fact, your Local Chairman and Assistant General Chairman have explained the tentative agreement with you and answered each of your questions. Therefore, you know that you will either be voting for ratification or you will have to wait until 2009.

Now wait a second. I don't know of any LAS "leaders" out for political gain other then JM. Your second point here is that if we don't vote in our increased wages we'll be "hostages to the East". OK, let's assume this is correct. That means the only thing this TA is good for is increased wages. No mention of increased costs or benefit reductions. And the only way we'd be held "hostage" by the East is if we let them. We're not. LAS is gonna vote the way we feel is best. I never though voting with someone was becoming their hostage. I thought that was solidarity. Lastly (for this first quote section) you mention the Local Chair and AGC explaining the Ta and answering questions. Well, I was never notified of a time or location. I am off Thursday and Friday, and when I left Wednesday the only information was that it was on Friday, with no time or location known. So I didn't go, cause I didnt' know where or when. Also, the meeting was held in the BREAK ROOM. There are two problems with this. First off, it's a jail. I'm not being sarcastic. Well, yeah I am. But ask anyone that's seen it. Its feels like a jail, honest to God truth. Second, the supervisors office in in the break room. What moron (oh, JM, that explains it) would pick this location!?!?!

US AIRWAYS will consider negotiations that will lead the west into the east agreement but the District has no plans at this time to negotiate a contract that merges the west into the east agreement. That means that if this isn't ratified that you will have to wait until December 31, 2009. How many of you can wait that long? Look at your pay stubs and you will be able to see the logic in ratification. Again, it is critical that LAS join the PHX lead for ratification and stop listening to those out strictly for political gain.

Huh? Canales been threatening us that he will roll us into the East agreement if the vote fails. But there's no plans? That makes no sense at all. It's actually contradictory.

Don't throw it all away just because some of your leaders are out for political gain and one individual is making Randy Canale out as some United Airline monster who is personally devouring your protections. Randy Canale isn't against you having profit sharing or Change in Control protections. If he had his way you would all be making more than our United rampers. These negotiations were some of the most intense negotiations this District has ever experienced. But you have no right to strike and your company is a cost neutral bargainer. You want extra vacation? How many jobs do you want to lose? That's how your company negotiates.

Actually no one other then Canale is making him as some "United Airline monster". He's doing it all on his own, and that's about the only thing he's aparantly capable of.

Vote to ratify, then both the west and east can finally join in together and be stronger in 2011.

Or we can vote together to NOT pass the TA, be together as a group NOW and have a better TA as soon as Canale gets shown the door. Why wait until 2011?

 

[Districtforce]

District Force,
So When us no folks vote this thing out when do you think the company will come crawling back to us? You know they will!

Now is the time to ratify. There will be a merger and it makes no sense to be in transition talks if your contract is ammendable in less than 12 months. It's not fair for the class 2 stations and west stations to have to wait one more year.

The CIC has always been leverage but with a looming merger announcement, there will be no way that we would have been able to leave that in the agreement. Even with the CIC in the agreement, at most it would only force more negotiations. Any newly combined company would most likely take a position of dispute with the CIC.
Randy Canale saw the wisdom in using it to negotiate better wages for our class 2 and west stations. Everyone received more holidays and double time because of it.

Remember, the only reason why your company was even at the table was because of M & A activity. If this tentative is voted down, a merging partner may back away from investing in your company. How long can US AIRWAYS last solo? How long can class 2 stations and west stations survive on their current wages?