IAM Fleet Service topic

[pit 4ever]

living in fla i see how 15.50 does not go to far.i live in pa cost of living is alot less.oh well take care dude.good luck

 

[pjirish317]

One more thing to consider about thid POS T/A.

Article 4 ( Classifications )

"Future Tower vacancies which the COMPANY DECIDES TO FILL in PHL, CLT, LAS, and PHX, will be filled through a "A COMPANY SELECTION PROCESS"

Does anybody else have a problem with this. Why would we give up transfer rights to these positions? If your senority gets you there, then you should get the position. PERIOD. The next thing you know, all transfers will be subject to these provisions, and have to be approved by the company. This is just another of the MANY MANY MANY reasons that I am voting NO!

 

[wiser bud]

Pit 4,
Once upon a time, I worked for an aviation company that had unlimited sick time. We (you and I) have about the same amount of time served. Time goes on, sad, but true! Do you think we should fight to get our unlimited sick time back? Otherwise, vote no!
Not a realistic arguement these days is it?
No disrespect intended but times goes on, we move on, times change and not many of us like it but can do little about it. Insurance rates are going to hit the West guys/gals however you slice it.
I have to say I'm glad the '08 rates aren't going up thru the new proposed amendable date.

 

[orioleman]

pj ,
I agree whole heartedly. Seniority is the suppose to be the back bone of the union , But yet our spineless leader doesn't seem to think it is. As long as he gets his postive space travel

He could care less about our rights . just wants to neg them away. No wonder The IAM has problems organizing if they showed the non-union employees our contract they would


its a total joke. OH and for your year end bonus we ARE GOING TO RAISE your DUES ....

 

[wiser bud]

O, to you: Yada, yada, yada....same ol' drum

Pajama Man,
When speaking of the betterment of the operation, do you really want some of the people senior to you running the show? Not everyone is a candidate for positions that impact the operation

 

[Tim Nelson]

OR perhaps more realistically this company has bargained with our union to the best of it’s ability and this is what we have here today …

So lets assume the COC is worthless , are you going to SHUT DOWN , CLT and PHL in protest at the shitty TA ???
Please , don’t let me be the guy looking back who goes “ I told you so “ again .
OUR STOCK IS AT 6 DOLLARS!!!! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU EXPECTING ????? OUR STOCK IS AT 6 DOLLARS???????

Freedom, assuming the CIC is worthless does 'serious' harm to 'good thinking' and justice. Remember, the company attorneys had no problem telling Parker to leave the CIC in the contract back in bankruptcy since they did not see it as a threat to the bankruptcy investing transactions. Parker shared this with you in town hall meetings.

However, now the same company attorneys have made it clear to Hemenway that the CIC must be removed in any Transition negotiations. The company has 'flipped like a pancake'. This explicitly shows that the CIC does have value and the company is 'deeply' concerned about it in this new investment transaction due to be announced.
Whether or not the CIC is triggered isn't the question, as Canale has said, the CIC gives us leverage in any case with a corporate transaction.

Regarding our stock and oil. Stay focused. Remember, the financial results are suppose to produce a $200 million loss this last quarter [according to District force]. However, last quarter the company knew full well of its financial positon and still proudly announced a 200% bonus plan for all officers next year and it didn't have any problem signing a deal for the mechanics that gave the mechanics a 30% compensation gain and certain no-layoff guarantees.

Therefore, when considering the context of the situation, kindly consider that fleet service is not being greedy by asking for what is fair and equitable. Fleet service is the backbone of this company and deserves to be treated fairly.

Contract information that Randy Canale does not want you to see

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[NETOSETONE]

You NO guys complain a lot , but I don’t see any answers coming from you as to what you would do IF we send this TA back ????

What is it you PROPOSE to do in order for us to get a better TA ??? You say the company wants us to sign this really badly so they can merge , then why the hell isn’t this TA better than the last one offered ??? GEEZ if I was the company and wanted the workers to sign this really really BADLY , don’t you think the terms would have been better?

OR perhaps more realistically this company has bargained with our union to the best of it’s ability and this is what we have here today …

So lets assume the COC is worthless , are you going to SHUT DOWN , CLT and PHL in protest at the shitty TA ???

My brothers chide me to remind the readers here that most of the people on here have lost credibility , these are the same people who SWORE up and down that the change in control was a sure win , if you don’t believe me just keep going back in the pages until you see the topics from fleet around that time ….

Not to toot my own horn , but I was one of the VERY few who told the east guys that they were going to lose and I also explained that if we lost the next TA we got would most likely not be as good as the one offered to us at that time ….

Please , don’t let me be the guy looking back who goes “ I told you so “ again .

addedum

OUR STOCK IS AT 6 DOLLARS!!!! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU EXPECTING ????? OUR STOCK IS AT 6 DOLLARS???????

Freedom........Excellent point. From a class II fleet service agent.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Keep beating that same drum to us yes voters, we are misguided, foolish, etc.....

But here's what I think....anybody who is going to acquire a $3.50 an hour raise by voting yes and then is told by a no voter to "grow a set or become a manager" well that's just IGNORANT.

How many of you easties would vote down a contract that was going to give you $3.50 an hour raise?

I'll answer that for you NONE....so don't even start on "well it doesn't mean anything if we don't have a job".....blah, blah, blah

Wrong. ORD is one of the 'second class' stations and voted against a $3.50 pay raise by 32-4 last time. Also, many westies voted against a pay raise of more than $4 last time because they understood the inequities of the situation.

contract information that Randy Canale doesn't want you to see

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[wiser bud]

Nelson,

Fleet service is the backbone of this company and deserves to be treated fairly.

ARE YOU FREAKING DREAMING??????

We are the most easily replaced workforce in the company.

GET A HOLD OF YOURSELF !!!!!! DISMOUNT from that horse.

 

[Jen]

Keep beating that same drum to us yes voters, we are misguided, foolish, etc.....

But here's what I think....anybody who is going to acquire a $3.50 an hour raise by voting yes and then is told by a no voter to "grow a set or become a manager" well that's just IGNORANT.

How many of you easties would vote down a contract that was going to give you $3.50 an hour raise?

I'll answer that for you NONE....so don't even start on "well it doesn't mean anything if we don't have a job".....blah, blah, blah

Facts and drum beating are 2 different things. Ok So the t/a give the west an increase just enough to cover what will be your new life Jan 1st, 2009. Thats when your west rates/scope are flushed away. Up goes everything even to a higher tax bracket, ect,ect,ect! Read the East CBA.*concessions, not what a person shows you out of the 2003 agreement book before they really hosed the East. Read the IAM bylaws. Only by ratified vote could we be put under East CBA. Then take a real close look into what you are being told and how much scope actually means per say in the event of a merger/aquisition.
I do not want ANY of US to lose our jobs or be suckered into the April fool t/a! That is a nightmare the EAST has already experienced and to give a s*it enough to try to prevent the hellish history to repeat it self for westies or themselves again. Serious who do you believe will be the ones laughing if this pos is ratified?

 

[NETOSETONE]

One more thing to consider about thid POS T/A.

Article 4 ( Classifications )

"Future Tower vacancies which the COMPANY DECIDES TO FILL in PHL, CLT, LAS, and PHX, will be filled through a "A COMPANY SELECTION PROCESS"

Does anybody else have a problem with this. Why would we give up transfer rights to these positions? If your senority gets you there, then you should get the position. PERIOD. The next thing you know, all transfers will be subject to these provisions, and have to be approved by the company. This is just another of the MANY MANY MANY reasons that I am voting NO!

YES!

 

[orioleman]

O, to you: Yada, yada, yada....same ol' drum

Pajama Man,
When speaking of the betterment of the operation, do you really want some of the people senior to you running the show? Not everyone is a candidate for positions that impact the operation

OOOOOOOOOOOOOh great redneck drinker,

if the radio is playing the same old song Why do you keep tuning in..

as far as your reply to PJ I would agree to some degree. but It's not rocket science up there.. I know been there done.. and that was wwwwaaaaaaaaaaay before gate manager

and all the latest greatest tech.. I assume you know what gate manager is .

 

[Tim Nelson]

Nelson,

Fleet service is the backbone of this company and deserves to be treated fairly.

ARE YOU FREAKING DREAMING??????

We are the most easily replaced workforce in the company.

GET A HOLD OF YOURSELF !!!!!! DISMOUNT from that horse.

I expect fleet to be treated fairly because it is the backbone of this company. Fleet must press forward for a contract with dignity and respect. The "April Fools" Agreement must be thrown in the garbage.

On horse with sword held high holding our position! The masses are gaining strength.

The only one that will not be back to the table is United airlines. That's right, United airlines was on our side of the table and crafted this merger agreement through It's very own Board member, Randy Canale. Randy will be voted out in June and he will be the one that will not be back at the table. Both him and United Airlines will be 'exercised' from our side of the negotiations table.

Transition agreement or Merger agreement? You decide

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Ramp Rogue]

A question just occurred to me that I am directing to the yes voters. How are you going to feel when you and your family are waiting at the gate to nonrev on a flight, and canale and 4 of his cronies walk up and take the last 5 seats leaving you stranded overnight in the airport? Remember, he gets positive space travel if this t/a goes through.

Rogue

 

[necigrad]

Actually, I don't think Canale does. It's only US Airways employees, though they get it for UB. Your point is still valid 100% though.