IAM Fleet Service topic

[lithuanian]

Very few of anyone on the West side of this transition actually have the entire truth. So, when Freedom lets it out it is the voice of so many that have been Blindsided.

West will go for it all! Being we have never been 100% reliant on the airline for an existence.

We're just trying to come to a close informed decision without being idiots.

Truth being, no one west of the Mississippi relied 100% on AWA. We'd have starved! Now! We're not about to play STUPID!

West knows we're going for the money cause we realize we're being taken over again after IAM insulted TWU.

What more can we expect.

It' well known non union employees in (admit) administration last year got a 3% raies and the new BCBS insurance for family hiked and they took a dump in income over the raise of 600.00 after the year due to family premiums. ( Not to mention Short term/Long terinm permiums. on top of that.0)

We had a great gal upstairs in Phoenix who filled us in on the cost neutral facts (JILL).

Hey, truth is What' IN YOUR WALLET! Four dollar raises look really good or they evaporate! into insurance rates or LACK of overtimel.

Its probably going to be real close much like the mechanics. Go for your gutt!

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Yes, really. Look at Senator Bonds agenda he was the one who went after the intergration
seniority and repealed it after the union asked him to do so. As I posted on page 10 though
a new policy was voted in to protect the workers seniority in the event of a merger or takeover.

Per,

Where can I find more information on this?

Rogue

 

[700UW]

To the Westies with no disrespect intended, if things are that bad, find a new job, no one forces you to stay.

There is life beyond the airlines, when I left, after three months in my new job I was making more than being at PI/US for 18 years.

Rogue:

McCaskill-Bond Bill
U.S Senators Claire McCaskill and Kit Bond secured a provision to the Senate’s omnibus spending bill to provide air carrier employees with a BASE level of protection during mergers. The provision would ensure a merger process by which airline employee seniority lists can be integrated in a FAIR manner to be determined by the controlling carrier. If a dispute occurs, the parties can engage in binding arbitration.

While the language of this bill may be a step in the right direction, District 143 feels that stronger seniority provision language could be obtained through collective bargaining.

BILL TEXT HR 2764
VERSION: ENROLLED (FINALLY PASSED BOTH HOUSES)
DIVISION K—TRANSPORTATION, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2008

SEC. 117. LABOR INTEGRATION. (a) LABOR INTEGRATION.—With respect to any covered transaction involving two or more covered air carriers that results in the combination of crafts or classes that are subject to the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.), sections 3 and 13 of the labor protective provisions imposed by the Civil Aeronautics Board in the Allegheny-Mohawk merger (as published at 59 C.A.B. 45) shall apply to the integration of covered employees of the covered air carriers; except that—


(1) if the same collective bargaining agent represents the combining crafts or classes at each of the covered air carriers, that collective bargaining agent’s internal policies regarding integration, if any, will not be affected by and will supersede the requirements of this section; and


(2) the requirements of any collective bargaining agreement that may be applicable to the terms of integration involving covered employees of a covered air carrier shall not be affected by the requirements of this section as to the employees covered by that agreement, so long as those provisions allow for the protections afforded by sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-Mohawk provisions.


(B) DEFINITIONS.—In this section, the following definitions apply:


(1) AIR CARRIER.—The term “air carrier” means an air carrier that holds a certificate issued under chapter 411 of title 49, United States Code.


(2) COVERED AIR CARRIER.—The term “covered air carrier” means an air carrier that is involved in a covered transaction.


(3) COVERED EMPLOYEE.—The term “covered employee” means an employee who—


(A) is not a temporary employee; and


(B) is a member of a craft or class that is subject to the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.).


(4) COVERED TRANSACTION.—The term “covered transaction” means—


(A) a transaction for the combination of multiple air carriers into a single air carrier; and which


(B) involves the transfer of ownership or control of—


(i) 50 percent or more of the equity securities (as defined in section 101 of title 11, United States Code) of an air carrier; or


(ii) 50 percent or more (by value) of the assets of the air carrier.


© APPLICATION.—This section shall not apply to any covered transaction involving a covered air carrier that took place before the date of enactment of this Act.
(d) EFFECTIVENESS OF PROVISION.—This section shall become effective on the date of enactment of this Act and shall continue in effect in fiscal years after fiscal year 2008.

 

[700AW]

To the Westies with no disrespect intended, if things are that bad, find a new job, no one forces you to stay.

There is life beyond the airlines, when I left, after three months in my new job I was making more than being at PI/US for 18 years.

tells one what the airlines have sunk to... when McDonalds is paying that much.......

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Yes...we will all be on the same page together (east & west) and an even playing field.

GiantFan'

To put things in perspective, we will never ever be on an even playing field until everyone, and I mean everyone goes by DOH for all seniority purposes and not just the select few. When you don't get the overtime, or the vacation that you want because someone junior to you got it, you will understand what I'm talking about.

Rogue

 

[Save708AW]

To the Westies with no disrespect intended, if things are that bad, find a new job, no one forces you to stay.

There is life beyond the airlines, when I left, after three months in my new job I was making more than being at PI/US for 18 years.

Rogue:

Gee thanks for the support. Why don't we all quit? Make so much sense for us to all throw away these years in our lives and just give it all up.

Now that you have made it clear that you are neither brother or sister in this with us.........

What exactly are you doing here?

Your new job must be so great, with you spending such vast amounts of time offering advice to us lowly airline workers.

 

[700UW]

Why I am here is irrelevant, but I do have friends and family still out there.

You have to make a choice, I did after 18 years, it is called self-esteem and confidence, it is apparent Doug, Jerry and Al wont give you what you deserve so it is time for people to make things better and if it is life outside the industry so be it.

I did it after 18 years as did many others.

And like I stated there was no disrespect in my post nor insults.

 

[Tim Nelson]

For all this talk of another merger and if it will effect our jobs. Of course it will even if we vote against this agreement. I for one dont believe there will be mass layoffs in our group becasue of it.
When PI merged with US there were displacments to be sure but most kept there jobs.
Tim Im not sure where you get that date of 2016 if we vote in our agreement and we merge, so you need to explain that one.
I also think that if we merge with another carrier I do think we will see a buyout package that may even benifit many of our senior guys.
All of this is speculation of course but there are many things to think about here.
Whatever you decide I again encourage everyone to vote this time, as Tim has pointed out the last vote it was 68 percent No, however the turnout was just under 50 percent of the total who can vote, so remind all your coworkers May 8th please vote.

Fuzz, it would be like how the west is now. I think their contract was up in 2005 and look at it now. This TA is up on Jan 2012 and United or whoever will not be in any hurry to bring our bad wages and benefits up to their scale. Randy won't be sharing United's profits with you either. Probably at least 2016 and that is reasonable thinking.

Piedmont/USAIRWAYS had 8500 workers. That's how I ended up in ORD. After the IBT vote, things consolidated and we went down to 4500 workers. United has 7800, we have 7800. We will not have 15,000 afterwards. Remember, Fuzz, this is a transition contract so why did Hemenway force the opening of the reduction in force language? Scope? CIC? Layoffs are coming.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[roabilly]

Why I am here is irrelevant, but I do have friends and family still out there.

You have to make a choice, I did after 18 years, it is called self-esteem and confidence, it is apparent Doug, Jerry and Al wont give you what you deserve so it is time for people to make things better and if it is life outside the industry so be it.

I did it after 18 years as did many others.

And like I stated there was no disrespect in my post nor insults.

Why you are here is very relevant!

Tell us more about this new post US Airways career…
Does it involve a Union that is currently representing a Fleet Service group somewhere?

Does it involve the use of a personal computer?
Maybe, even monetary compensation for the use of this personal computer?

How can you come in here and offer information to a Union Represented work group that incidentally…has chosen to stick this Airline Career out.

Do you think your…ahem…â€￾employerâ€￾ will have positions for all us Fleet workers when we leave… or are forced to leave due to pathetic compensation?

 

[Dilligas]

The company sometimes makes "choices" for people, they call it "termination".

Sometimes the union can get one's job back... sometimes the evidence is so damning, one has no choice but to leave the company.

Some people can let go and move on emotionally, some can't. Sad.

Very sad.

The process is here for the individuals to vote their own conscience. You don't owe anyone a yes vote or a no vote, vote what YOU think is best. Then deal with the outcome.

 

[TRAVIS]

I hear LAS is on lay-offs???? Who are they making room for?????

 

[john john]

My station has about 68 FS. If a UA merger was to take place, about 45 to 50 of those wouldn't have enough seniority to merge with UA guys here. Thats my guess. I would be fine but there are many who wouldn't.
Also the protection language could be abit skewed in 2011, just by cutting out US/HP flts and Rerouting and selling on UA flts. Anythings possible and our long hauls could be null and void.

If a UA/US merger were to take place the IAM would be going after the customer service and fleet service agents and mechanic and related. I think this has a lot to do with both TA’s with little improvement and the mechanics agreement being so different

 

[TRAVIS]

Mechanic and related? did the awa techs not come from ibt? and the iam almost lost them and after this T/A my bet is if you did go UA the iam will be replaced by the ibt as it was just voted in last week at UA.

 

[john john]

my bet is if you did go UA the iam will be replaced by the ibt as it was just voted in last week at UA.

Maybe maybe not depends on the NBM. A lot of questions will come into play (single carrier status, class and craft) you better believe IAM is looking for the whole ball of wax .IAM will be the Marjory on the property if a UA/US merger were to take place

 

[TRAVIS]

Maybe maybe not depends on the NBM. A lot of questions will come into play (single carrier status, class and craft) you better believe IAM is looking for the whole ball of wax .IAM will be the Marjory on the property if a UA/US merger were to take place

You have to look at UA and its vote for the ibt and then look at usair who are they setting up for the next stage???? You need to think and look with open eyes. What is the best for the investors because your a@@ does not matter to the big boys. got to go on this but Parker has his wish Flight Deck stalled , MX Beat and the Ramp will fall too.