IAM Fleet Service topic

[Save708AW]

Tim,

I actually really appreciate you saying that. From reading on this board for a while, I cannot recall your support for someone that has disagreed with you. Props up on ya! You got my respect.

Thx.

P.S. And I totally agree. Yes or No, we are all in this together.

 

[student]

FYI, as far as comparing with non-union pay/benefits, I found this on the NW site. This is DL.

This is Delta Ramp and Passenger service.
Customer Service Agent
Customer Service Agent
(442)
Start $1,611.60
After 6 months $1,671.78
After 1 year $1,707.24
After 1-1/2 years $1,758.06
After 2-1/2 years $1,784.12
After 3-1/2 years $1,972.32
After 4-1/2 years $2,130.26
After 5-1/2 years $2,247.44
After 6-1/2 years $2,539.60
After 7-1/2 years $2,653.18
After 8-1/2 years $2,836.28
After 9-1/2 years $2,965.84
After 10-1/2 years $3,161.72

$3161.61 x 12 / 2080 = $18.24

Vacation is base on years of service with a cap of 4 weeks. Sick pay is only 7 days a year and if not use can be rolled over with a cap of 14 days. Retirement we have none, our pension is frozen. The company does match our 401k contribution up to 5% with an additional 2% only if you're putting in the 5%. We have a total of 10 Holidays. Holiday pay is time and a half but the only holidays that are payed New Years, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and the day after, Christmas. Over time is not base on senority. If you can kiss butt you have it. Greivance rights good luck with that. Here at Delta get an attorney. Trades privleges are three trades a month but if you're good with the supervisors sky's the limit. Displacement rigths is at the company's hands. The grass is not any greener here either.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

I actually really appreciate you saying that. From reading on this board for a while, I cannot recall your support for someone that has disagreed with you. Props up on ya! You got my respect.

Thx.

P.S. And I totally agree. Yes or No, we are all in this together.

I think there is great passion being displayed on both sides of the argument but i think it has caused some contentiousness. Passion is fine, but it must be flavored with the foundation of soliarity and respect for eachother. It's called leadership. On the internet, these things are sometimes lost in translation.

Take for instance here in chicago. We will be a No vote as a class 2 but I have good friends voting yes. Those who know me know they can joke with me as I don't take any of this stuf personal. Well, one of my friends put up some bogus contract on the bulletin board at work saying 'Tim Nelson's contract. 500% pay raise for everyone, 50 weeks of vactaion, etc. A hyperbole indeed and quite humorous. It is still up. We stick together no matter how we vote in Chicago.

One thing everyone admits is that we are all getting screwed by this company. The thing we must NEVER lose focus on is that we must all stick together because if this comes in or if this goes out......there will be another fight. So we must accept the vote tally and stick together and not come unglued.

Now can I go back to being an #### again?

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

FYI, as far as comparing with non-union pay/benefits, I found this on the NW site. This is DL.

This is Delta Ramp and Passenger service.
Customer Service Agent
Customer Service Agent
(442)
Start $1,611.60
After 6 months $1,671.78
After 1 year $1,707.24
After 1-1/2 years $1,758.06
After 2-1/2 years $1,784.12
After 3-1/2 years $1,972.32
After 4-1/2 years $2,130.26
After 5-1/2 years $2,247.44
After 6-1/2 years $2,539.60
After 7-1/2 years $2,653.18
After 8-1/2 years $2,836.28
After 9-1/2 years $2,965.84
After 10-1/2 years $3,161.72

$3161.61 x 12 / 2080 = $18.24

Vacation is base on years of service with a cap of 4 weeks. Sick pay is only 7 days a year and if not use can be rolled over with a cap of 14 days. Retirement we have none, our pension is frozen. The company does match our 401k contribution up to 5% with an additional 2% only if you're putting in the 5%. We have a total of 10 Holidays. Holiday pay is time and a half but the only holidays that are payed New Years, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and the day after, Christmas. Over time is not base on senority. If you can kiss butt you have it. Greivance rights good luck with that. Here at Delta get an attorney. Trades privleges are three trades a month but if you're good with the supervisors sky's the limit. Displacement rigths is at the company's hands. The grass is not any greener here either.

I hate it for NWA Rampers. The NW guys may lose their 6 weeks of vacation, double time, company paid long term disability, 9 year top out, and most importantly their scope of 40 stations IAM represented and 10 cargo stations. OTOH, thankfully, Delta and US AIRWAYS didn't get together.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[perserverance]

I'd like to ask those on this site saying this will squeak by or we need to
take it because of the wage increase a couple of questions.

Why do you look forward to an agreement that only half of your work group
feel is worth voting for ? and do you really believe the wage increase will ever
make it to the bottom of your check ?

My thoughts are to look for an agreement that at least 75% or 80% of our work
group feels is favorable. Not a long shot if we show the company and union a
collective NO, not a close but no cigar vote.

Also, the hourly wage increase will not be seen as much as you believe on the West.
We on the East who are topped out will see a litlle difference because we already pay for
our benifits, have the adjusted sick and holiday pay. The rest will see little difference at the
box across from net, I hope that doesn't happen.

This will be a NO vote again and once again we'll show the company and union were divided
and go back to the table and bring back just a little more to get the 50%+1 needed.

 

[student]

Ditto, this should be a wake up call for UA/CO. I think they're non union. One thing for sure, it's not just about the payscale.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ditto, this should be a wake up call for UA/CO. I think they're non union. One thing for sure, it's not just about the payscale.

UA/CO would not be good in some ways. I would say that the UA res/ticket counter would vote out union and they would most definately be non-union. OTOH, the continental rampers, even though they make significantly more than us and have better benefits, just barely voted out union by only 300 votes a couple months ago. I'd say any Co/UA merger would result in a union ramp in favor of the IAM.

With US AIRWAYS, only UA and AA are mentioned as possible with us. Both are union, however, AA's TWU is a concern with me since they hosed over the IAM guys from TWA by putting them on the bottom unless they were in STL or MCI.

I'd love United, being from Chicago, IMO I just wouldn't want to jump the gun and sign on to a contract that limits us right before a merger announcement. Anybody but a non-union carrier though would work for me.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Save708AW]

I'd like to ask those on this site saying this will squeak by or we need to
take it because of the wage increase a couple of questions.

Why do you look forward to an agreement that only half of your work group
feel is worth voting for ? and do you really believe the wage increase will ever
make it to the bottom of your check ?

My thoughts are to look for an agreement that at least 75% or 80% of our work
group feels is favorable. Not a long shot if we show the company and union a
collective NO, not a close but no cigar vote.

Also, the hourly wage increase will not be seen as much as you believe on the West.
We on the East who are topped out will see a litlle difference because we already pay for
our benifits, have the adjusted sick and holiday pay. The rest will see little difference at the
box across from net, I hope that doesn't happen.

This will be a NO vote again and once again we'll show the company and union were divided
and go back to the table and bring back just a little more to get the 50%+1 needed.

To answer your questions in order.

I don't think it's only half that is going to vote yes for it, but if I were going to agree with that, then I would say only half are against it. I am just as sane as half of my co-workers, either side. Last time, I was with the lower percent and lost. Doesn't change how I feel about the way I voted in Sep.

For an 80%+ vote, go to Chicago and check on Tim's contract. (see above to get the joke.)

As far as the money, I stand to increase my yearly by 14,000+/yr base. I am sure, I will see a difference on my bottom line.

Lastly, not so sure about that "no" vote winning. We will all see. I am not a sore loser nor am I an arrogant winner. Either way, I will be here at the finish line.

 

[perserverance]

To answer your questions in order.

I don't think it's only half that is going to vote yes for it, but if I were going to agree with that, then I would say only half are against it. I am just as sane as half of my co-workers, either side. Last time, I was with the lower percent and lost. Doesn't change how I feel about the way I voted in Sep.

As far as the money, I stand to increase my yearly by 14,000+/yr base. I am sure, I will see a difference on my bottom line.

Niether question was exactly answered, your ''half are against it'' isn't an answer to why would
you want to vote yes on a proposal that close to half your work group doesn't find acceptable.
I never questioned thier sanity so I never asked if you were as sane.
The wage increase does not play into your yearly gross if your bi-weekly pay deductions are
increased and take away from what most of the yes votes feel will be an increase. I'll say
it again the only people that will notice a slight difference will be East coast employees and they
are against this TA as it reads now. You will see a difference in your bottom line along with major
differences in your deductions.
I was just asking for answers to why you would vote yes other than the wage increase most
see. We could all be looking at the threat of a P/T reallity with the ratio also being eliminated.
If you think I'm upset you'd be wrong. I have over 20++ years in a hub and do not feel
threatened yet I see what the company needs along with the IAM. We as a group are being
pitted against each other in a battle of 50%+1 and I do not agree with that. I want or hope
for a more popular vote and this time around it will not happen again. The money is important
but I want that raise to reach the bottom of my net check not the gross side.

Thanks Anyway-------

 

[Henderfuzz]

You know, all I can see that the yes votes are reading in the TA is the money. Its almost like the blinders have been put on and the only thing that is seen is the money. You all talk about reading all of the TA, but you should also get a copy of the existing East contract and read all of it, including such things as the insurance premiums coming out of your pocket and the charts are there to show you the breakdown, with the increase in the future. If your increase is wiped out with insurance premiums, the decrease in sick pay,
no shift premiums, etc. where are you now. We were not in negotiations with the company, because in negotiations it is a give and take and all this company wants to do is take. This is the last contract to be negotiated in my time left with this company and I want it to be a decent one. If the company can give the officers ridiculous bonuses, the mechanics a half decent TA, in this most critical time of merger mania then don't tell me they can't come up with a better offer. Don't give me this, oil price crap, and this economy crap, because if it don't apply to all then screw it, it is an invalid argument. You all have the right to vote what you want but please take off the blinders and look at all of the angles and read all of the TA and East contract and make an informed decision not just based on the money.

Well my friend I hate to say it but its the money that pays my bills.
Our cost in insurance may be high but we have good insurance and its not excessive in what we pay comparied to many companies.
My wife even works for a company that handles insurance but mine is still cheaper.

 

[Henderfuzz]

For all this talk of another merger and if it will effect our jobs. Of course it will even if we vote against this agreement. I for one dont believe there will be mass layoffs in our group becasue of it.
When PI merged with US there were displacments to be sure but most kept there jobs.
Tim Im not sure where you get that date of 2016 if we vote in our agreement and we merge, so you need to explain that one.
I also think that if we merge with another carrier I do think we will see a buyout package that may even benifit many of our senior guys.
All of this is speculation of course but there are many things to think about here.
Whatever you decide I again encourage everyone to vote this time, as Tim has pointed out the last vote it was 68 percent No, however the turnout was just under 50 percent of the total who can vote, so remind all your coworkers May 8th please vote.

 

[giantfan]

I'll say
it again the only people that will notice a slight difference will be East coast employees and they
are against this TA as it reads now. You will see a difference in your bottom line along with major
differences in your deductions.

Gotta say I think you are 100% wrong on that one. Why ppl come on this board and profess to know what the East is voting is beyond me.

I ask you then....why bother having a vote...you all seem to know already! Do they sell crystall balls in philly cuz I need to get me one of those.

Yes...the west will notice a big increase in their bottom line.
Yes....topped out Easts will notice a minimum of $236 a month more and lots more if you are an OT hound.
Yes...we will all be on the same page together (east & west) and an even playing field.
Yes...this contract is about $$$$, isn't that the reason we show up for work everyday?

No, not everyone is happy with this contract but it is what it is. Why ppl think there will be another offer amazes me, but what amazes me even more is that the previous offer (in Sept) was better than this one......

So that naturally would lead to the next question.........what makes ppl think our next one (IF THERE IS A NEXT ONE????) will be better than the last two?

 

[mike33]

WE have our ears and eyes closed ??????

Who just lost the CHANGE OF CONTROL arbitration ??????? YOU LOST !!! BUT PLEASE BY ALL MEANS CONTINUE TO BEAT THAT DEAD HORSE ... maybe with enough beatings it MIGHT come back to life .... that's right boys , beat the spirt back into it !!!
yes that's right you SHOULD give Ron Roth credit , so far i'd say he's been a damn good leader in being able to predict what's going to happen in the future , and as far as actually DOING THINGS , like forming protests , rallies etc , he's ON IT ... he's proactive , rather than reactive !
dignity and respect , you keep going on about that .... your pride will cost us the shirts off our backs !!!!!!
BTW , to the "masses" tim's support for a NO vote isn't as solid as he says , at least from all reports that i'm hearing , and you folk need to keep in mind that PHX is the TA super center here , there's nothing more talked about here , we're sifting for any little bit of TA information out there .
Vote yes and get everyone you work with to vote yes!
Failure is not an option .

Freedom,
You rant and rave more than anyone on this board. You should be giving out information and letting the voters decide. I think we all know you're about the money and the money only. I think RR is probably a good guy, but you can't tell me the drowl isn't dripping from the $$ he might get!
Chill out. You're not going to sway anyone with all the hooplah. Whether yes or no it's still going to be the same union going forward. In the end this company will force us to stick together. If yes then I am fine. If no than I am fine. I'm not sure how you would be though.........Hang in there.....
The union needs those dues for the Pension.

 

[mike33]

For all this talk of another merger and if it will effect our jobs. Of course it will even if we vote against this agreement. I for one dont believe there will be mass layoffs in our group becasue of it.

My station has about 68 FS. If a UA merger was to take place, about 45 to 50 of those wouldn't have enough seniority to merge with UA guys here. Thats my guess. I would be fine but there are many who wouldn't.
Also the protection language could be abit skewed in 2011, just by cutting out US/HP flts and Rerouting and selling on UA flts. Anythings possible and our long hauls could be null and void.

 

[giantfan]

You rant and rave more than anyone on this board

No more than anyone else...and he has every right too.

You should be giving out information and letting the voters decide.

I think we all know who has already cornered the market on that.

I think we all know you're about the money and the money only.

Who the he## isn't??????


Mike if he were screaming for a no vote you wouldn't be complaining, would you....?