lithuanian
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The more information we try to absorb: The more misinformed we get! Log off! and go back to a time when education was useful. And now! Education (and such) is the Root of All Evil!
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lithuanian
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OOPS!!! This got tangled up with my CRAIGS LISTING! [remainder edited by mods since it has NOTHING at all to do with this thread. If you want to continue posting here, stay on topic.]
The Bagfather
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700, I'm not a lawyer either but what you say is obviously true.
So please come back and tell us what the chances of that are.
One is a thousand? One in a quadrillion? Or mabey One in
ten to the 435th. This last number is exceedly large. Essentially
this number reduces the chance so greatly as to make the
figure synonymous with impossible. But mabey I'm
exagerating. What do yhou think?
So please come back and tell us what the chances of that are.
One is a thousand? One in a quadrillion? Or mabey One in
ten to the 435th. This last number is exceedly large. Essentially
this number reduces the chance so greatly as to make the
figure synonymous with impossible. But mabey I'm
exagerating. What do yhou think?
libertybell
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Tim,
Holy Sh!t!
I think the yes voters heads just exploded!
Thats one strong argument to favor a strong No vote.
Keep the facts coming.
lithuanian
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Joe Dirt! This is a Cost Neutral contract and the results of this vote will give the parties involved the go ahead.
Fidelity!
Blue Cross, Blue Shield
IAG
And, G$$ knows who else. Oh! Yeah! IAM and the pension!
The likes of workers at US AIRWAYS somehow, sometime, after this vote and into the next merger,will go thru this again, and again and again.
The US needs a leader to stop the INSANITY.
Fidelity!
Blue Cross, Blue Shield
IAG
And, G$$ knows who else. Oh! Yeah! IAM and the pension!
The likes of workers at US AIRWAYS somehow, sometime, after this vote and into the next merger,will go thru this again, and again and again.
The US needs a leader to stop the INSANITY.
mike33
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To understand it's merit in this round is to under its value in upcoming mergers and the difference from the last TA. Remember, the last stock value of usair(not LCC but US) was $0 exit BK. The value of stock in upcoming mergers will not be zero and we now know the language states in the COC that the--
" Common Stock†is the Common Stock of US Airways Group, which are then outstanding and the
Common Stock issuable on exchange, exercise, and/or conversion of securities of
the Company or US Airways Group that are then currently exchangeable into,
exercisable for, or convertible into such Common stock.
Which would be the same that the merger of DL/NW has offered their stockholders..............
lithuanian
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Here we go again! Us vs them! I truthfully love a FIGHT! Yeah the money matters: But! The CIC! will result in the next go round of mergers to deal with the language the initial IAM/twu (both contracts) wrote into the protections and conditions for workers. Why, the H## doesn't anyone in position extol this?
It's going to be a real HANG-UP into the next merger, an arbitrator, the NMB and the union and company will look like S### .
Do we want management to take it in the R---? Or do we move on and let (them) get their bonus'?
Your vote will tell!
It's going to be a real HANG-UP into the next merger, an arbitrator, the NMB and the union and company will look like S### .
Do we want management to take it in the R---? Or do we move on and let (them) get their bonus'?
Your vote will tell!
mike33
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700..very fair ?. But, do you actually think that is going to happen? UA has a better name recognition and are much bigger than US. I see only Tilton stepping aside and Parker taking over, but only the management. UA would be the surviving carrier. Management change has nothing to do with COC on its own. The language never addresses the management. Just stock/assets. Yes? or No?
Tim, you need to explain this one. I don't see anything about management. Not one. Granted I don't know how the tower in PHX works, nor W&B, but here in LAS I can't come up with one supervisor or manager that this would apply to.
The Bagfather
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Ah yes. I was wondering when someone would seek my council
directly on this weighty matter.
As GF pointed out (which by the way is almost word for
word a sentiment echoed by PF yesterday in SAN) the Company
will easily wriggle out of the COC in a UA merger.
It does seem odd doesn't it? Well here's my explanation.
1. The COC even though it has wage implications years down the
road. up front payouts...Man to tell you the truth I can't
even make a joke out of it.
BTW PF did come by SAN yesterday.. He's going to get back to us
on the rational of how we could be forced into the east contract.
On this subject does anybody remember JH and Tim thier famous
dual of wits on this subject? After Two days Tim finally squeezed this
statement out of JH when asked if Canale had the power to sign the
west over to the east and JH said; "I think so.". During the famous
TA briefing is where Canale instucted his minions to bring this false
threat back to the "masses".
Tim is spot on in his characterization of this contract. It is NOT TA
and should not be called such. A real TA would have merged the
east and west with Items acceptable to both and NO extention. The
COC is the exact reason this was never going to happen..I was a rehire
right when the merger was done. My the sta mgr was very smart. knowlegable
and fair minded. He wondered why I had come back under such conditions.
And the next thing he said is very major. He said that for the most part
the BK contract is lame but that the pay ladder might be a bright spot.
for a new hire. So he must have been assuming that we would go into the
east contract. He was in the loop and very respected so his thoughts on the
subject were what he believed to be true. BTW this corroberates what Tim
has been saying about this time period.
I'm not saying that GF and others don't have a clear view on this but in order
to understand them they need to reveal a lot more about what they know
transpired within the union throughout the last three years. Otherwise
we must conclude that Canale has misunderstood and misrepresented the
entire FS for his own hairbrained "vision". Now as a last gasp they use
the Middle seniority West Hubs, the east FS in west stations and the Class II
stations to give them thier "TA".
Note to low seniority PHX: Your "raise" will be about 8 cents until Dec. then
youll get 9.29 for a month. Then you will go into the TA pay scale. The
effect for all the West is pay raise that at most is 91.3% of what the east
gets. Now just look at one negative. That is insurance. Your new policy
will give you less coverage and cost you more. For amusement sake,
ask any traveling road show expert how much you current insurance will
cost in 2009. The reply will be: I'll get back to you which they won't
So mid range Guys and Gals in PHX vote yes. No one can blame you.
And I'm sorry that I am compleatly and profoundly against this "TA.
Thanks BF.. Joe .. Does that answer your question?
PS. Here's what this should be called. " ACOCFPOSUPAFMATEOTW"
(A Change of contract for porposes of solidifying union positions and
facilitating mergers at the expence of the Workers)...A transitional
agreement? Transitioning two work groups into one for the porposes
of fairness and solidarity? To do justice to both company and workforce?
be serious.
directly on this weighty matter.
As GF pointed out (which by the way is almost word for
word a sentiment echoed by PF yesterday in SAN) the Company
will easily wriggle out of the COC in a UA merger.
It does seem odd doesn't it? Well here's my explanation.
1. The COC even though it has wage implications years down the
road. up front payouts...Man to tell you the truth I can't
even make a joke out of it.
BTW PF did come by SAN yesterday.. He's going to get back to us
on the rational of how we could be forced into the east contract.
On this subject does anybody remember JH and Tim thier famous
dual of wits on this subject? After Two days Tim finally squeezed this
statement out of JH when asked if Canale had the power to sign the
west over to the east and JH said; "I think so.". During the famous
TA briefing is where Canale instucted his minions to bring this false
threat back to the "masses".
Tim is spot on in his characterization of this contract. It is NOT TA
and should not be called such. A real TA would have merged the
east and west with Items acceptable to both and NO extention. The
COC is the exact reason this was never going to happen..I was a rehire
right when the merger was done. My the sta mgr was very smart. knowlegable
and fair minded. He wondered why I had come back under such conditions.
And the next thing he said is very major. He said that for the most part
the BK contract is lame but that the pay ladder might be a bright spot.
for a new hire. So he must have been assuming that we would go into the
east contract. He was in the loop and very respected so his thoughts on the
subject were what he believed to be true. BTW this corroberates what Tim
has been saying about this time period.
I'm not saying that GF and others don't have a clear view on this but in order
to understand them they need to reveal a lot more about what they know
transpired within the union throughout the last three years. Otherwise
we must conclude that Canale has misunderstood and misrepresented the
entire FS for his own hairbrained "vision". Now as a last gasp they use
the Middle seniority West Hubs, the east FS in west stations and the Class II
stations to give them thier "TA".
Note to low seniority PHX: Your "raise" will be about 8 cents until Dec. then
youll get 9.29 for a month. Then you will go into the TA pay scale. The
effect for all the West is pay raise that at most is 91.3% of what the east
gets. Now just look at one negative. That is insurance. Your new policy
will give you less coverage and cost you more. For amusement sake,
ask any traveling road show expert how much you current insurance will
cost in 2009. The reply will be: I'll get back to you which they won't
So mid range Guys and Gals in PHX vote yes. No one can blame you.
And I'm sorry that I am compleatly and profoundly against this "TA.
Thanks BF.. Joe .. Does that answer your question?
PS. Here's what this should be called. " ACOCFPOSUPAFMATEOTW"
(A Change of contract for porposes of solidifying union positions and
facilitating mergers at the expence of the Workers)...A transitional
agreement? Transitioning two work groups into one for the porposes
of fairness and solidarity? To do justice to both company and workforce?
be serious.
mike33
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Road
I must have retyped this about 4 times now and each time I keep erasing what I typed. The bottom line is only " The Players " know why and Ive come to
the conclusion that " The Other Guys " want it out.
My take is I think Tim might have hit on something about the lawyers saying to get the COC out, but the " Other " lawyers not ours. For some reason they
didn't like it when presented as a package. Even with its' loss in Sept., which if true, says something for its' merit.
That's my honest feeling.....
Mike
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