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Tim Nelson
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My understanding is that the contract allows US AIRWAYS to waive the 60/40 part time ratio for the period from ratification to OEI. I'll bet someone a coke that the OEI is more than 6 months even though the contract spells out 6 months as the limit. This thing is going to be a mess if this contract gets in.
With impending layoffs set to be announced, I wouldn 't be surprised if US AIRWAYS exploits this nice gift the IAM allowed them and lays off full-timers in LAS and elsewhere out west.
One thing Canale did was give hemenway the best contract that caters to lay offs and mergers. Remember, this was a transition agreement but Hemenway told Canale he would sign the contract if Canale restricted full-time seniority protections in regards to part-time recall, and Canale waived the ratio out west. Those two items are sellouts, bottom line. Layoffs and a merger is what this contract is all about and that is why the attorneys finally told Hemenway the CIC has to go.
On a good note, many west stations are voting No or split. It seems the more PHX sez Yes, the more the west says No. I wouldn't be surprised if the west splits or votes No.
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Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
With impending layoffs set to be announced, I wouldn 't be surprised if US AIRWAYS exploits this nice gift the IAM allowed them and lays off full-timers in LAS and elsewhere out west.
One thing Canale did was give hemenway the best contract that caters to lay offs and mergers. Remember, this was a transition agreement but Hemenway told Canale he would sign the contract if Canale restricted full-time seniority protections in regards to part-time recall, and Canale waived the ratio out west. Those two items are sellouts, bottom line. Layoffs and a merger is what this contract is all about and that is why the attorneys finally told Hemenway the CIC has to go.
On a good note, many west stations are voting No or split. It seems the more PHX sez Yes, the more the west says No. I wouldn't be surprised if the west splits or votes No.
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
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http://www.charlotte.com/breaking_news/story/591667.html
Analyst: US Airways-United has merit
JEFFERSON GEORGE
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A merger of US Airways and United Airlines has "considerable merit" and would be less complex than a much-rumored merger of United and Continental Airlines, a airline analyst wrote in a research note this week.
United-Continental continues to generate "furious speculation," JPMorgan analyst Jamie Baker wrote Monday, but a deal between United and US Airways could be easier when it comes to aligning the wages of pilots, combining fleets and reducing flights and seats.
In addition, Baker wrote, United and US Airways already have codeshare agreements and are part of the Star Alliance. Baker noted that United was interested in acquiring America West Airlines in 1998 and US Airways in 2000. Neither deal happened, and America West merged with US Airways in 2005.
US Airways' depressed stock price also could provide more benefit for United shareholders than merging with Continental, Baker wrote.
Analyst: US Airways-United has merit
JEFFERSON GEORGE
[email protected]
A merger of US Airways and United Airlines has "considerable merit" and would be less complex than a much-rumored merger of United and Continental Airlines, a airline analyst wrote in a research note this week.
United-Continental continues to generate "furious speculation," JPMorgan analyst Jamie Baker wrote Monday, but a deal between United and US Airways could be easier when it comes to aligning the wages of pilots, combining fleets and reducing flights and seats.
In addition, Baker wrote, United and US Airways already have codeshare agreements and are part of the Star Alliance. Baker noted that United was interested in acquiring America West Airlines in 1998 and US Airways in 2000. Neither deal happened, and America West merged with US Airways in 2005.
US Airways' depressed stock price also could provide more benefit for United shareholders than merging with Continental, Baker wrote.
Tim Nelson
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Most people realize it has merit and gives fleet tremendous leverage for a better transition agreement. Hemenway was advised by the company's attorneys to take it out this time. Remember, last time they didn't bother taking it out and Parker was clear that he didn't think it was a threat to remove it from the contract.
Another threat is the reduction in force language that Canale agreed to add to this transition agreement. The OEI also allows the company to not go by part time ratios and many full timers out west can be 'deeply' affected since Canale agreed to 'lift the veil' on any idea of part time ratio. My bet is that the OEI will be extended way past 6 months.
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Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
Another threat is the reduction in force language that Canale agreed to add to this transition agreement. The OEI also allows the company to not go by part time ratios and many full timers out west can be 'deeply' affected since Canale agreed to 'lift the veil' on any idea of part time ratio. My bet is that the OEI will be extended way past 6 months.
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
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I have said all along to look at the whole picture and in doing so every page of this
proposal. The FT/PT ratio will indeed be eliminated and puff !! there goes FT jobs along with
the pay raises everyone is looking so forward to on a FT salary. I have to come to terms with
the fact that some see the $$ signs and not what will come along with it. You will not see that
increase as a whole in the net of your check. One reality is $300 a month or $150 a pay for
insurance for you and your family, if you have one. Just one reality, but if you go nuts on the job
your IAM reps can come talk to you, space positive.
The vote will be a good turn out and we are having informational meetings already and the
general concensus is a NO vote out of here. I'd like to see us all make a statement of our unity
and vote strongly in that direction but I read the posts of those who see the $$ and with that
will be some Yes votes but this seems to me to be more of a No vote than last time. The 18
stations and some of the West are seeing the TA for what it is, a company offer with no union
input.
Ask yourselves why the company came to us..........why?
Thanks
proposal. The FT/PT ratio will indeed be eliminated and puff !! there goes FT jobs along with
the pay raises everyone is looking so forward to on a FT salary. I have to come to terms with
the fact that some see the $$ signs and not what will come along with it. You will not see that
increase as a whole in the net of your check. One reality is $300 a month or $150 a pay for
insurance for you and your family, if you have one. Just one reality, but if you go nuts on the job
your IAM reps can come talk to you, space positive.
The vote will be a good turn out and we are having informational meetings already and the
general concensus is a NO vote out of here. I'd like to see us all make a statement of our unity
and vote strongly in that direction but I read the posts of those who see the $$ and with that
will be some Yes votes but this seems to me to be more of a No vote than last time. The 18
stations and some of the West are seeing the TA for what it is, a company offer with no union
input.
Ask yourselves why the company came to us..........why?
Thanks
cltrat
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well unlike some I'm not a lawyer but DP and Al want it out for some reason
orioleman
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with the road show under way . Just a reminder for those that what to ask a question and not quite sure where to
start. Here's one for you. lowly f/s agents ask Mr AGC whats in it for you .
Mr AGC says "well lowly ramp agent nothings in it for me. Lowly f/s agent then ask "can you explain district by-laws
article IX section 2 for me " .
just keeping it real.......
start. Here's one for you. lowly f/s agents ask Mr AGC whats in it for you .
Mr AGC says "well lowly ramp agent nothings in it for me. Lowly f/s agent then ask "can you explain district by-laws
article IX section 2 for me " .
just keeping it real.......
lithuanian
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Golly! You guys! We've hashed this over and over since the last defunct! TA. We've been reading this forum for a long time waiting for a CHANGE! of information. Somehow it is seeming to be in our own hands. Like the presidential candidates, our own existence forward! seems to be the result of our votes.
Tim Nelson
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Giantfan, Let's not worry about Hemenway coming back at this point, we must worry about jobs first and see to it that this contract is voted out. Canale gave all the 'rights' to a merging partner and this company. I look for a complete rape of fleet service at this time due to entering a merger with a complete strip of protections.
This is not a transition agreement. This is a merger agreement hand delivered to the United Airline Board of Directors.
Randy Canale made this 'clear' as he opened up the following articles this time to 'close out a United merger'.
Article 2. status of agreement- complete waiver of CIC merger protections and leverage.
Article 3. Scope- complete elimination of solid west scope with 'drop dead' 2011 language installed.
Article 4: Complete annexation of non-union managers and supervisors with immediate seniority.
Article 7: continued restriction on 60 day rule for those laid off
Article 9: Elimination of full-time seniority rights for recall to part-time positions
Article 26. Complete elimination of part-time [60-40] ratio for the west for a period up until integration. What the hell is going on???? This is HUGE. WHY do this??????
Article 28. Employees must wait for their pay raises and many things won't happen until OIE but union positive space travel happens IMMEDIATELY at signing.
Article 31 Duration add 2 years
Extra: Eliminate profit sharing
If you asked me to paint a contract for a merging partner, I would come up with all of the above. Randy Canale is duty bound to the United Airline stockholders and is sworn to them as a BOD. This is NO TRANSITION agreement since Randy opened up articles that don't apply but cater to United Airlines.
At any rate Giantsfan, you say your station is in Florida, Class 1 and is all voting yes. I can assure you because of VC in TPA that TPA is voting No. Nobody listens to VC and TPA is educated. FLL is voting mixed results right now but may turn into a decent No. MCO is the only class 1 station that is voting Yes anywhere so you have to be in MCO to say that. FV and LGA just about ran Chandlee out two days ago. BC couldn't put 4 words together. PF had NO EFFECT on SAN and MW's first lie in FLL was costly. These guys can't put 4 words together, don't have any answers and the only thing they are saying is that "Hemenway isn't coming back". That's the message from the union as it attempts to sell this contract. I copied their August 10th letter which said the same exact thing.
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
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