IAM Fleet Service topic (Mini Thread)

[redeye]

1. There is no change of control going to save you . (proven already or do we need to do it three times to really let it sink in eh ? )


2 You could get a 100% vote from fleet of NO on the new TA , I see no reason why that would change the companies position , remember without the COC all we have is our solidarity to enforce change , and has been proven over and over , most of our workers are only SOLID to vote on something or post on a message board …. (to clarify I’m insinuating that our union is too weak to even PROTEST effectively . )


3.The new direction team is a hard-line neogoating team , what they demand from this company will end talks so quickly, you’ll blink and they’ll be over .

4 The united states economy is crashing , you want to wait till 2010 to strike ? have at it and watch as the strike vote is either voted down or the company replaces us .

5 . We MAY be merging in the near future , who here thinks it’s a good idea to go into the next talks as an even MORE shattered union than we are now ? tell me , has it helped that we now have class 2 cities , class one cities and poor impoverished west in our talks ?

6 . How much of your lives are you willing to put on the line , How many years are you willing to piss away on hope ?





I’m not meaning to be insulting brother and sisters , only very sharp , I want you to see as I see .

Freedom,

How many of these hard liners have you met?

When were you made aware of their positions?

Is your informed? view based on an examination of the CIC decision and
have you examined the arbitrators opinion and the specific wording?

If your answer to these questions is no, then your statements are irresponsible.

Thanks,

 

[mike33]

Because I believe part of negations are about pride , also it would just look sloppy on heemingways part to leave it in .

Furthermore you didn’t refute what I said , you merely insinuated that because the company is taking it out , it DOES have value and that your position is correct .

You sir are incorrect , and to the fact of the matter you’ve been PROVEN incorrect in a court of law . Stop making the same flawed assumptions .

Freedom you are full of yourself and all those threats month ago just go to prove it. Obviously you don't know that it never went before a court of law jury

trial. It's there-It's worth something-It will be addressed again.................

 

[Tim Nelson]

Oh I’m sorry tim , I would have thought you would have recognized the courts decision , that is NOT my opinion , that’s from the court case where we LOST . i just felt the best reply to what joe wrote was to put what the court told us , i applogize for not making it clear that it came from the decsion .

Freedom, While the arbitrator ruled that the dozen or so investors didn't act in concert or even pay the same price for the stock, the arbitrator decision does not apply to a possible merger and is clearly not "Carte Blanche". Clearly, Parker and Hemenway were not threatened to remove it last time as they indicated in the town hall meetings last year.

However, Hemenway flipped like a pancake and now wants it out. I think Hemenway knows a bit more than me or you about what he needs and doesn't need.

What a Yes Vote Means In Regards To A Merger

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: [email protected]

 

[roabilly]

Because I believe part of negations are about pride , also it would just look sloppy on heemingways part to leave it in .

Furthermore you didn’t refute what I said , you merely insinuated that because the company is taking it out , it DOES have value and that your position is correct .

You sir are incorrect , and to the fact of the matter you’ve been PROVEN incorrect in a court of law . Stop making the same flawed assumptions .

You sir…

Have lost all credibility… what a convoluted answer to a simple equation…
Which by the way… Has only one answer!

 

[freedom]

woopie do mike , you know what i meant , you know i'm not the kind of poster to dwell on facts , i deal with concepts , you pick and clairfy the facts i'll stick to the general concepts .

I’m sorry to say but many of you have lost all credibility with me , you were DEAD WRONG about the change of control , and now we’re suppose to believe you about this ? don’t get me wrong, you all have done a great job changing the union leadership , but your ability to effectively predict the future is poor . yes yes I know , no one can predict the future , but we can make certain assumptions based off of the facts at hand .

OIL HITS ANOTHER NEW ALL TIME HIGH , CNN.COM


The clocks ticking ….

 

[roabilly]

The fact of the matter is... the language is in ..untill we vote it out !

P.S. It's Hemenway.

 

[redeye]

woopie do mike , you know what i meant , you know i'm not the kind of poster to dwell on facts , i deal with concepts , you pick and clairfy the facts i'll stick to the general concepts .

I’m sorry to say but many of you have lost all credibility with me , you were DEAD WRONG about the change of control , and now we’re suppose to believe you about this ? don’t get me wrong, you all have done a great job changing the union leadership , but your ability to effectively predict the future is poor . yes yes I know , no one can predict the future , but we can make certain assumptions based off of the facts at hand .

OIL HITS ANOTHER NEW ALL TIME HIGH , CNN.COM


The clocks ticking ….

Here is a tidbit of the arbitrators opinion.

"One begins with the observation that this was a sale of stock, not assets.
The bargained language requires the sale of common stock, which is further
specified as “then outstanding common stock” issued and in the hands of
shareholders. In this case, however, all “then outstanding stock” of the US
Airways Group that had existed prior to the Company’s emergence from
bankruptcy was cancelled. What was issued and sold was new common stock."

We are not in bankruptcy anymore. Stock cannot be reissued under the same
conditions. The Company cannot use the same tricks.

Please give educated concepts. Please read and understand, this would
be fair to the impressionable readers of this forum.

Thanks

 

[mike33]

woopie do mike , you know what i meant , you know i'm not the kind of poster to dwell on facts , i deal with concepts , you pick and clairfy the facts i'll stick to the general concepts .

I’m sorry to say but many of you have lost all credibility with me , you were DEAD WRONG about the change of control , and now we’re suppose to believe you about this ? don’t get me wrong, you all have done a great job changing the union leadership , but your ability to effectively predict the future is poor . yes yes I know , no one can predict the future , but we can make certain assumptions based off of the facts at hand .

Concepts
"Something formed in the mind; a thought or notion."

Facts
"something that actually exists"

Change of control in a total merger is not a Concept but is an actual Fact. I believe the DL / NW merger would be stalled somewhat with COC language. If you don't believe that then by all means vote yes. If you do believe that than here come AL back for 3rds.

 

[roabilly]

That is 100%...spot on redeye...

The current paradigm, is much different.... compared to the B/K scenario..

Read... and understand the language redeye posted!

 

[Save708AW]

Mike33,

I did make an error on that post but it was the website that is flawed. I quoted the salry range from the job description of Ramp-ground agent. I did not realize that the table indicating the wages differed from their own description. My bad.

To the moderator, sorry about the oil topic, just thought it was interesting, I'll stay on topic.

Some of you speculate that the COC was innefective, because of the way the last merger happened and this wouldn't happen again. Why not? If I were Parker I would make sure the next merger is exactly like the last one, to ensure that something like this COC wouldn't get in my way.

Reminds me of a quote from Pirates of the Carribean: "I would have beat you in a fair fight." The other man responds, "well, that doesn't leave me a good incentive to fight fairly, now does it?"

Our management are some smart cookies. They know what they are doing. I seriously doubt some COC language is gonna get in their way. Actually, history has proven that it hasn't, and won't. I am not saying yes or no, but I am saying the COC is a non-issue to me.

 

[roadtrip]

woopie do mike , you know what i meant , you know i'm not the kind of poster to dwell on facts , i deal with concepts , you pick and clairfy the facts i'll stick to the general concepts .

I’m sorry to say but many of you have lost all credibility with me , you were DEAD WRONG about the change of control , and now we’re suppose to believe you about this ? don’t get me wrong, you all have done a great job changing the union leadership , but your ability to effectively predict the future is poor . yes yes I know , no one can predict the future , but we can make certain assumptions based off of the facts at hand .

OIL HITS ANOTHER NEW ALL TIME HIGH , CNN.COM


The clocks ticking ….

Yeah but check this out!

US sitting on massive oil amounts

The clock just broke..............

 

[orioleman]

Boys and girls crack open a couple tall boys .. looks like perv is typing another book.. :bleh:

 

[roabilly]

Quote:708AW


Some of you speculate that the COC was innefective, because of the way the last merger happened and this wouldn't happen again. Why not? If I were Parker I would make sure the next merger is exactly like the last one, to ensure that something like this COC wouldn't get in my way.
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Thank you…

My point exactly…

The COC language is worthless, and non-enforceable… so there obviously no need to have it removed !

I call on the IAM, to please have the legal transcriber who accidentally omitted this language to re-print our proposal .... sans the typographical error the omitted it!

 

[mike33]

Boys and girls crack open a couple tall boys .. looks like perv is typing another book.. :bleh:

O

That is too too funny

 

[kmsurvey]

KDKA News in Pittsburgh just announced that US Airways and United were discussing a possible merger.