IAM Fleet Service topic (Mini Thread)

[Henderfuzz]

Well if there is a merger in the future, I for one still think it makes even more sense to get this deal done. If you think the CIC has any teeth than fine it might, however we all know what kind of stall tatics the company will use and has used in order to keep it in court. That would just further delay any more talk about getting a new contract. In the mean time that will put even further at risk the west stations who at least have some protection in this T/A that would have none if they are rolled into our current agreement.
Im going to say it, money aside if you dont like the vacation, or sick policy in this deal well I know its not the best, but think off those in the west field stations who may only be months away from outsourcing if they go under our current agreement.
For me better vac, or sick time do not pay my bills. Ive said this in many post, its time to move on and see what is new on the horizon.

 

[necigrad]

Tim, snapback isn't really part of the TA benefits overall. Yes it's in there, but far later and with conditions. You should add that in the statement, because the TA itse;f, had it been passed, might not have provided it. You're doing exactly what Jester does to my quotes.

Redeye, that's it. It's the geo, and I'd forgotten about it. Thanks.

 

[doing it on my knees]

Say we vote NO, does anybody have a timetable on how quick we could go back to the table and renegotiate? I'm feeling like a flip flopper now. I was a Yes at first, but now I feel like I'm going to vote NO. I just want this all over with ASAP and 2010 isn't ASAP.

 

[redeye]

Tim, snapback isn't really part of the TA benefits overall. Yes it's in there, but far later and with conditions.

Is that not like comparing the Dec. 31, 2011 outsource
language as not being an overall detriment because it
will only create future layoffs. As long as you don't see it
it might go away.
You have to consider that as bad as it was to realize snap
backs in the last T/A, even those have been eliminated.


Thanks,

 

[Richard]

Folks,

Keep on subject. If you want to discuss oil, take it to the water cooler.

Thank you.

 

[giantfan]

Say we vote NO, does anybody have a timetable on how quick we could go back to the table and renegotiate? I'm feeling like a flip flopper now. I was a Yes at first, but now I feel like I'm going to vote NO. I just want this all over with ASAP and 2010 isn't ASAP.

Well knees the last one we got to vote on was last September....8 months ago. Both sides have said they won't go back to the table again. So it could be a helluva lot longer than 8 months from now.

Fleet won't hold up any merger plans whatsoever! Fleet is just one of those annoying bugs that flies around Dougs head every once in a while. If the pilot unions of NW & Delta can't hold any merger plans up why would US Fleet? Think about it. Voting No is a big risk to take. Again, I'm an East guy and voting YES.

 

[JoeDirt]

GF
You are right about the last one we voted on. What you have failed to take in account is after the vote they didn't meet again until after the ruling on the CIC arbitration. Since then they met in Jan. Feb. and the first week of Apr. If and when they meet again is speculation and no one knows for sure either way.

As for Fleet holding up a merger its not Fleet or the IAM or any other union or group that would hold it up. Its the CIC language in our contract that is the stumbling block. It would be really hard for someone interested in buying us to dismiss it as unimportant.

 

[giantfan]

Joe,

Yes, they did go back to the table in Jan & Feb....and that got us nothing, so going back to the table doesn't necessarily mean we gain anything. And that is a HUGE "IF" we go back to the table.

In regard to the CIC language in our contract. Are you kidding me, right??? Fleet CIC language will NOT and I repeat NOT hold up a merger! Even if these companies put thought into the CIC language, we have a history of losing it anyway!

My word, for what it's worth, is the CIC language is NOT a threat to any foreseeable merger. And I have history on my side to prove it.

 

[perserverance]

Basically three weeks from today we will once again vote on a TA and once
again it will be voted down heavily on the East side and probably by most of
the 18 stations mentioned on page 3. The West seems alittle less then the Yes
vote % they turned out last time. It would be nice to have a concerted effort to
send the IAM and the Company a message that in order to have a TA accepted we
need to offer Fleet a proposal to ensure of ratification. The numbers will vote this
down and the union and company will see that 35% voted Yes and try to sweet'n
it to get the 50% + 1. We will be hard pressed to look at a propsal when we ourselves
are showing the company how close they are to getting to that middle of the road.

So to those voting Yes and continue to think this will pass, just look back to Sep. and
see that you voted and showed the company the seperation. Imagine if you stood with
the majority and told the IAM and Company...NO. Then we may see a proposal that may
ventured into the 80% or above approval rating. Til that time it will remain a NO.

I know people will say they think it may pass this time, thier the same people who thought
so last time. I believe this will be voted down even more significantly than the last. Clt and Phl
are not even close to a Yes and word is alot of others are headed that way.Just a thought of
how nice it would look to see a complete shutdown of this vote across the board. All of us
together.............I can dream.

Thanks

 

[giantfan]

Perserverance...

We got different words than....word I got is YES on the West & East.

 

[Harry Callahan]

I feel sure it will be a no. Folks you can not give away change of control.

 

[GoldenRam94]

I feel sure it will be a no. Folks you can not give away change of control.

It is a carrot that is being dangled that in the end will be meaningless. Go back to when Piedmont got bought up by USAir. What you think the LAWS or RULES say can be reinterpreted. This merger will happen with or without you so do not think you hold any clout.

 

[mike33]

Wanted to drop my two cents in here to take a quick minute of your time. I just wanted to comment on some of the things that people have been speaking upon.

I keep hearing the term, "industry standard wage." Well, after doing some homework on avjobs.com, I decided to get some info into what exactly is the industry average wage. They state: " The average starting salary is typically around $8.50 per hour and can top out at $20.00/hr. The average full-time hourly wage for baggage handlers is $13.03 per hour, says the Occupational Outlook Handbook." I only mention this because some people seem to be confused about what the "industry standard" is. I am not arguing for the T/A, but I am simply pointing out that this T/A is right in the middle of road. I would love to be on the top of the scale as some think we should be, but I never expected it and never will. I think that some of you will be very dissapointed if you seriously believe for a second that a combination airline like US and HP were going to be leading in industry wages. Never gonna happen.

Also, without getting personal and not trying to attack you, Tim, your website seems like an advertisement for the previous T/A. Makes people feel bad that the last T/A was turned down. Seems like people are a little regretful that they turned down the last one and it's only gonna getting worse if we wait for something else. Not a scare tactic, but I feel history will prove me right. It has, once now. Not trying to pick a fight but just another point of view for all to ponder.

Ohhh.... on a sidenote, the IAM maids only make that much cash because they have a stong union that got them, a "well above industry average" wage in their contract. I wonder where we can find a union like that? hmmmmm......

WWWWRRROOOOONG!

The website says Min-5.85 Avg-8.70 Max-$25 even if you subtracted the Lead prem of $1 you would get $24. Are you a IAM salaried employee?

 

[orioleman]

gf,
"Fleet CIC language will NOT and I repeat NOT hold up a merger!"

Is the language strong . NO . If F/S can't or won't hold up a merger than why hasn't it happened yet.

Now the CIC may not be the best language. But I think the INVESTORS that want to get in on this are the ones telling Doug

get it out along with Profit sharing . the investors want all the protection to get AS MUCH BACK OUT OF an upcoming merger

and profit sharing is free money to the employees and less back on the return for investors.

 

[mike33]

Joe,

Yes, they did go back to the table in Jan & Feb....and that got us nothing, so going back to the table doesn't necessarily mean we gain anything. And that is a HUGE "IF" we go back to the table.

In regard to the CIC language in our contract. Are you kidding me, right??? Fleet CIC language will NOT and I repeat NOT hold up a merger! Even if these companies put thought into the CIC language, we have a history of losing it anyway!

My word, for what it's worth, is the CIC language is NOT a threat to any foreseeable merger. And I have history on my side to prove it.

And History has always wanted it out for what reason if it's not worth anything NY?