IAM Fleet Service topic (Mini Thread)

[mike33]

It is a carrot that is being dangled that in the end will be meaningless. Go back to when Piedmont got bought up by USAir. What you think the LAWS or RULES say can be reinterpreted. This merger will happen with or without you so do not think you hold any clout.

Oh it might happen, but they'll have to redefine ( your ) contract language to the " Parity " of 03 at some point.

 

[giantfan]

Is the language strong . NO . If F/S can't or won't hold up a merger than why hasn't it happened yet

Why hasn't it happened yet?

Maybe because the pilot union fiasco-
Maybe because Dougie is waiting for the highest bidder-
For all we know, it is happening right now behind closed doors.

But Fleet CIC language will NOT hold anything up and I think most you know that.

 

[wheels up!!]

Thank you for your unbiased opinion. I would like to add one bit of info. Instead of believing Canale, could you at least do yourself a favor before you libel someone and pick up the phone and call my local and ask them who the Local Chairman is? I think you owe me that much before you agree with everything Canale sez.

Instead of offering up personal attacks can you stick to the issues? Kindly refute the information I have provided and will provide regarding this TA. Can I just admit that I'm an ignorant SOB and agree with you so you will stop the personal attacks? Geez Louise, stick to the issues Puh leesaasseee. The masses deserve that.

At any rate the Tenatative agreement Summary Sheet"[/ has now been completed. Kindly copy, post, circulate everywhere.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com

Tim,

Thanks so much for your suggestion. I called the District Office (found on the iam141.org website ) 1-847-640-2222 and was told that "Tim Nelson" is NOT the Local Chairman in ORD. Perhaps there is another "Tim Nelson", an imposter, ( or your evil twin ) who acccording to the Grand Lodge, is not a member in good standing and due to a prior incident is not permitted to hold office. The district office was surprised to hear that "Tim Nelson" was named on the link you provided, and will look into that.
I am sure you will have an answer for all this. You are very good with words. All I ask is for all you out there to pull up the IAM website, call the District Office and ask if "Tim Nelson" is indeed the Local Chairman.

 

[Black Magic]

The thing is Doug parker doesn't have his previous merger wrapped up, until he does merging with another carry will carry alot of scrutiny and probably wouldn't pass. The DL/NW deal is a traditional merger, not a mess that still isn't cleaned up like US.

Because of this the company and IAM will be back to the table in no time to work out something "slightly" better again. It will just be the mininum though "nothing more nothing less" to get a 50 plus 1 vote to pass.

 

[doing it on my knees]

ok, so this contract gets a resounding no, according to what i'm reading... then canale and the crew get ousted by this new direction team. Are these guys union people or rogue rampers? will they be able to go in a negotiate or wil corporate say "Who the hell are you?" And show them the door?
I just want to know if we have any ammunition or power against corporate and their teams of lawyers. It's hard to trust ANYBODY. In my experience with airline unions (14yrs) the union guys always made out like bandits and the fleet always got leftovers and excuses... DTA?

 

[Hadenough]

The latest offer is an insult to all of fleet service. When you go into neg. for any contract the idea is to reach a middle ground

that both parties will find acceptable. I find nothing acceptable about this T/A. I don't want the moon and stars and am not an

unreasonable person. They are playing poker and the pot being played for is our future. When you purchase a car or house or

any other large ticket item you make an offer. You may say this is my final offer but you sure are not going to tell them if you

don't like it I will come back and up my offer. If you do so you know very well they will reject the offer because you have

already shown your hand. This is exactly the kind of brinkmanship that is being played out. Ask youself these questions. Why are

they holding talks? Both sides want something. What is each side wanting to gain? Canale's threat to roll the west into our contract

is just that. Its a threat but not towards fleet. Its directed towards the company. If he follows through on this threat then the

company does not get whatever it is they are seeking. If we vote this thing in it is equilivant to folding and you will never

know if your hand was strong enough to win the pot. I don't know exactly what the company is after but I have a very good

idea what it might be. Therefore I will be voting NO and hope to play this out. FWIW: I am a 20 year plus agent

in CLT.

 

[rat tales]

Removed or restrictive language added to the August T/A that was voted down:

1. Shift 1 - $.51/hr, Shift 2 - $.58/hr Shift premium snapback REMOVED
2. Article 2 Change in Control REMOVED
3. Article 3 In sourcing language REMOVED
4. Article 5 Swap language that gave a minimum of 26 swaps REMOVED
5. Article 7 Protection for employees already on furlough REMOVED
6. Article 9 Further restrictive language added to displaced Employees
7. Article 13 snapback provision for 100% sick leave pay and 12 day/year accrual REMOVED
8. Article 14 snapback provision for 10 Holidays and Holiday worked pay REMOVED
9. Article 23 Full time Pension increase to $1.15 and Part time increase to $.75 REMOVED
10. Article 23 West 401k plan, Employees can still contribute. REMOVED

Positive language added to the August T/A that was voted down:

1. Article 13 100% pay for sick leave bank changed from 150 to 100 (West can only roll over 40 days from their existing leave)
2. Article 14 Gain of Memorial Day and Martin Luther King Day
3. Article 6 Double time on weekends only pay moved from the back to the front of the contract
4. Positive Space Union travel expanded to five (5) Union Officials

The August T/A that we turned down was "cost neutral" by the Company's standards. Why are we now voting on another CONCESSIONARY T/A. Are there that many gullible people out there. What I want to know is why our Union leader had the gall to let this POS leave the negotiating table. Is the International not embarassed to allow this kind of cr@p to get out to the public? WTF!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

Thanks so much for your suggestion. I called the District Office (found on the iam141.org website ) 1-847-640-2222 and was told that "Tim Nelson" is NOT the Local Chairman in ORD. Perhaps there is another "Tim Nelson", an imposter, ( or your evil twin ) who acccording to the Grand Lodge, is not a member in good standing and due to a prior incident is not permitted to hold office. The district office was surprised to hear that "Tim Nelson" was named on the link you provided, and will look into that.
I am sure you will have an answer for all this. You are very good with words. All I ask is for all you out there to pull up the IAM website, call the District Office and ask if "Tim Nelson" is indeed the Local Chairman.

We've already been through this. If it is that important to you then kindly feel free to call the Local 1487 up or check out its website which has me posted as the Local Chairman. I've been the Local Chairman here for about 6 months now and give the chairman's report at the Local. Duly recognized as Local Chairman. I am not a member in bad standing but if you insist on believing Canale then believe what you wish and let's move on. At any rate, it's unimportant whether I am the Local Chairman or not so no big deal.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Planemx]

Removed or restrictive language added to the August T/A that was voted down:

1. Shift 1 - $.51/hr, Shift 2 - $.58/hr Shift premium snapback REMOVED
2. Article 2 Change in Control REMOVED
3. Article 3 In sourcing language REMOVED
4. Article 5 Swap language that gave a minimum of 26 swaps REMOVED
5. Article 7 Protection for employees already on furlough REMOVED
6. Article 9 Further restrictive language added to displaced Employees
7. Article 13 snapback provision for 100% sick leave pay and 12 day/year accrual REMOVED
8. Article 14 snapback provision for 10 Holidays and Holiday worked pay REMOVED
9. Article 23 Full time Pension increase to $1.15 and Part time increase to $.75 REMOVED
10. Article 23 West 401k plan, Employees can still contribute. REMOVED

Positive language added to the August T/A that was voted down:

1. Article 13 100% pay for sick leave bank changed from 150 to 100 (West can only roll over 40 days from their existing leave)
2. Article 14 Gain of Memorial Day and Martin Luther King Day
3. Article 6 Double time on weekends only pay moved from the back to the front of the contract
4. Positive Space Union travel expanded to five (5) Union Officials

The August T/A that we turned down was "cost neutral" by the Company's standards. Why are we now voting on another CONCESSIONARY T/A. Are there that many gullible people out there. What I want to know is why our Union leader had the gall to let this POS leave the negotiating table. Is the International not embarassed to allow this kind of cr@p to get out to the public? WTF!

There are some that would say this still isn't good enough - a true offer from the iam to the members would have LESS on the table.

 

[mike33]

Tim,

Thanks so much for your suggestion. I called the District Office (found on the iam141.org website ) 1-847-640-2222 and was told that "Tim Nelson" is NOT the Local Chairman in ORD. Perhaps there is another "Tim Nelson", an imposter, ( or your evil twin ) who acccording to the Grand Lodge, is not a member in good standing and due to a prior incident is not permitted to hold office. The district office was surprised to hear that "Tim Nelson" was named on the link you provided, and will look into that.
I am sure you will have an answer for all this. You are very good with words. All I ask is for all you out there to pull up the IAM website, call the District Office and ask if "Tim Nelson" is indeed the Local Chairman.

Wheels Down,

It's time to come in for a landing...............the air is too thin up there for you.

Forget the district lodge and come down to earth. It seems the ORD local finds Tim an acceptable Rep for them. Thats what matters. Lets get back to the topic at hand ......Newbie...Joined 11 april 08....Yeah right!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well knees the last one we got to vote on was last September....8 months ago. Both sides have said they won't go back to the table again. So it could be a helluva lot longer than 8 months from now.

Fleet won't hold up any merger plans whatsoever! Fleet is just one of those annoying bugs that flies around Dougs head every once in a while. If the pilot unions of NW & Delta can't hold any merger plans up why would US Fleet? Think about it. Voting No is a big risk to take. Again, I'm an East guy and voting YES.

Giantsfan, I agree that fleet can't hold a merger up, a merger is inevitable. I do think you are misguided on a few issues though.
Back in September, Canale sent out a letter to our homes telling us, August 10th "Your choice will be between accepting the proposed changes now, or waiting for traditional negotiations to resume in 2009.
All he did with his latest letter is repeat his inaccuracy.

More importantly, now we can all see that this company will have to be a part of a merger for survival and that is why Hemenway will be back. Fleet service is the only group on the property that has the Change of Control. Back in bankruptcy the company believed that the COC wasn't a threat to its raising of capital in bankruptcy court so they left the COC in the contract. Now, with a merger, the company wants the COC out. This is because we are talking about a merger and not a dozen transactions over 12 months where everybody buys the stock at different prices.

No, Parker and hemenway know that "Supper is Ready" and the COC MUST be removed. It's situation reversed, instead of them not worrying about it and leaving it in, they have reversed themselves and now they are trying to remove it. Remove it they can...with your help. Their actions point to the fact that they believe it has teeth and I think they know a thing or two more than you or me about what's going to happen.

If Fleet service votes this contract in, and let's say United buys US AIRWAYS, then fleet service will ONLY have themselves to blame when their contract doesn't come up till July 2012 and then tack on another 4 years. It would be illogical to suggest that United would want to open up our contract after we have branded our own as$e$ till probably 2016. Of course, in that scenerio do you think that United or Randy Canale would allow you to share in the UA profit sharing system? Hell no.

A snapshot of what will happen if US AIRWAYS Fleet votes this industry worst contract in....look no farther than the US West guys. The US West guys are paid less and history will repeat itself if fleet does the unthinkable and votes in a contract that has the worst benefits in the industry and close to the bottom pay scale.

Updated: ***Campaign Headquarters for the No Vote***

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
email: appearances1@aol.com

 

[Dissent Equals Patriotism]

This just came out.......




An Important Message from CEO Doug Parker

April 16, 2008

Dear Fellow Employees,

With the recent news of a potential Delta/Northwest merger, analysts and media are speculating about the next potential combination. While we had hoped to remain on the sidelines of this speculation, today’s Wall Street Journal suggests we may be in merger talks with United and another article in the Dallas Morning News suggests we might make a good merger partner for American.

While I can’t comment on any specific discussions or transaction I certainly didn’t want you to hear this speculation without hearing directly from me about what this might mean for US Airways.

Most of you know my views on consolidation and those have not changed. Our industry is far too fragmented and consolidation, if done properly, could result in a much healthier industry which would be good for our employees, our customers and the communities we serve. Rest assured if US Airways chooses to participate in any industry consolidation, we will do so because we believe it is the best interests of our employees and our airline.

Despite all of the challenges of merging two airlines, we are a much stronger company today as a result of the merger of US Airways and America West. We posted the highest pre-tax margin of the big six airlines in 2006 and even with our operational challenges we posted the second highest pre-tax margin in 2007.

And we have an improving airline. We’ve made great strides with our operational improvement plan, including top three performances in on-time arrivals for three consecutive months. As we continue through 2008, we feel extremely good about our ability to continue to improve our operational performance relative to the industry.

But we can't ignore what's happening in the world around us. Oil has risen to over $113 per barrel and Wall Street is anticipating a recession that, if it happens, will lower all airline revenues. And the DL/NW combination potentially creates a formidable competitor. In that world, all airlines are going to have to make dramatic changes to their existing business models in order to be viable.

I know airline merger speculation can be distracting so for now, I encourage all of us to remain focused on running a great airline. Our work on the reliability, convenience and appearance initiatives continues and we are running an extremely reliable airline as a result. Whatever we do, we will always take great care to ensure the path we choose returns value to our shareholders and customers, and also provides long-term stability for our employees.

Thanks for all you do for our customers and keep up the great work.


Doug

 

[libertybell]

Tim

Could you explain this

page 4 of 11
line 5
The Company and the union will sign a LOA outlining the provsions for a 10 work day where utilized by the company.

Won't that mean the company won't need as many Full time workers?


Second thing I notice

page 7 of 11
line 26

Union withdraws "part time ratio" grievance with prejudice

Sounds like the union caved to allow more PT workers whats your thought?

 

[roabilly]

Quote: giantfan

In regard to the CIC language in our contract. Are you kidding me, right??? Fleet CIC language will NOT and I repeat NOT hold up a merger! Even if these companies put thought into the CIC language, we have a history of losing it anyway!

My word, for what it's worth, is the CIC language is NOT a threat to any foreseeable merger. And I have history on my side to prove it.

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G-F…

It the above were true… The Company, along with the IAM would have been more than happy to simply leave the COC provisions in our agreement intact!

If you will… please read the current proposal … I think you will notice in the Merger and Acquisition language…only the language regarding the COC (Snap-backs) has mysteriously disappeared!

Hmmm… wonder why that might be?

Your COC language has been given back to the Company for pennies on the dollar.

 

[JoeDirt]

Liberty Bell
I had wondered why the 10 hour work day was in there. There is a letter of agreement in our CBA touching on this subject.
If some locations go to a 10 hour work day does that change the sick pay policy. The sick pay states if an employee has 100 days in their bank sick leave is paid at 100%. That would be 800 hours for 8 hour work day but wouldn't that increase to 1000 hours if someone worked 10 hour days?