IAM Fleet Service topic (Mini Thread)

[perserverance]

''GF'', I don't know where you heard the East and west are Yes on this but your wrong and trying
to stir the pot. Count the posts since you addressed this and I see the posts for No out number the
Yes posts significantly. Go ahead look.

Freedom, ahhh our brother who doesn't want to eat at our table but wants to share in the meal.
Dead wrong why I voted down the past TA. Not because of the CIC but because of the TA itself.
The CIC was one of many reasons. PT to FT ratio, profit sharing, space positive travel, sick time,
benifits,holidays,extension, and like the ads says plus many more.

You guys give Tim Nelson to much credit. Maybe you should look at your posts and see that
in reading them they come across as not teaching or educating but demeaning and finger
pointing. We all have the same goals (I think), its' just you guys are happy with stopping at
the first rest stop and waiting to 2012 to continue. The rest of us (majority) voted this down
and will continue to climb to we like the view. I sincerly wish those of you who plan to vote Yes
would see the way the vote is going to go and join us in sending a message..ENOUGH. But, alas
you probably won't and once again show the IAM and compnany (one and the same) ,,,,psst, your
getting closer. You only need 50% not anymore than that...+1.

Go ahead stir the pot, point your fingers. Tell us how its' a Yes vote then sit back watch the No vote
happen and blame us some more.

Thanks

MOD NOTE: This poster also just got 3 days. THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT TIM NELSON OR ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL.

PLEASE argue the points and issues and not the PEOPLE.

 

[mike33]

Some of you speculate that the COC was innefective, because of the way the last merger happened and this wouldn't happen again. Why not? If I were Parker I would make sure the next merger is exactly like the last one, to ensure that something like this COC wouldn't get in my way.

Our management are some smart cookies. They know what they are doing. I seriously doubt some COC language is gonna get in their way. Actually, history has proven that it hasn't, and won't. I am not saying yes or no, but I am saying the COC is a non-issue to me.

Save

Come on.....they would have to pickup someone in BK.....Their not going to do that....it will be someone who has FULL STOCK VALUE....get it?

Another BK merge will not get them to the BIG DANCE!!!!

 

[wheels up!!]

At any rate, it's unimportant whether I am the Local Chairman or not so no big deal.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
[/quote]

Wow. Your last statement would be funny if it weren't for the many people that have been misled by you. I don't know you and we have never met. I don't know Canale and we have never met, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure you out. The sad thing is that this should be a forum where employees can discuss and express the pros and cons of a TA that will deeply impact their future and that of their families. The last thing we need is misinformation and scare tactics from within our own for the purpose of self interest. You have requested a debate with Canale which will no doubt be denied for so many reasons. First of all, what qualifies you to speak on our behalf? Canale has been doing this for over 30 years - what makes you a better representative for the 7,700 rampers and their future? Exactly how many contracts have you personally neggociated with, and what results did you achieve? When and where did you recieve training? Please tell us. Don't let the facts get in your way. If, as you say, it's "not important" and "no big deal" whether you are who you say you are, and you want us to believe you and your No Direction cronies are better equipped to represent us, than we are in alot of trouble. Please answer the 2 simple questions - Thank you.

MOD NOTE-This poster just got time off. Anyone else?

 

[bob dylan]

I don't want to have questions thrown at me but ''giantfan'' I think I'm from your
station and were all NO votes...so your not exactly telling the truth. You can vote
however you want but don't speak for me. The majority if not everyone I spoke with
said thier voting No and thats' quite a few.''wheels''...wow, COMPANY
bob


*perv, o'man can say what he wants I love your posts'. Thier worth the read. You seem to lay
it out and I guess some people (o'man) need an excuse to drink.

 

[Tim Nelson]

''GF'', I don't know where you heard the East and west are Yes on this but your wrong and trying
to stir the pot. Count the posts since you addressed this and I see the posts for No out number the
Yes posts significantly. Go ahead look.

Freedom, ahhh our brother who doesn't want to eat at our table but wants to share in the meal.
Dead wrong why I voted down the past TA. Not because of the CIC but because of the TA itself.
The CIC was one of many reasons. PT to FT ratio, profit sharing, space positive travel, sick time,
benifits,holidays,extension, and like the ads says plus many more.

You guys give Tim Nelson to much credit. Maybe you should look at your posts and see that
in reading them they come across as not teaching or educating but demeaning and finger
pointing. We all have the same goals (I think), its' just you guys are happy with stopping at
the first rest stop and waiting to 2012 to continue. The rest of us (majority) voted this down
and will continue to climb to we like the view. I sincerly wish those of you who plan to vote Yes
would see the way the vote is going to go and join us in sending a message..ENOUGH. But, alas
you probably won't and once again show the IAM and compnany (one and the same) ,,,,psst, your
getting closer. You only need 50% not anymore than that...+1.

Go ahead stir the pot, point your fingers. Tell us how its' a Yes vote then sit back watch the No vote
happen and blame us some more.

Thanks

While I don't know the outcome of the vote, I think there is a good chance we may have a greater no vote. Last time it was 65% systemwide, I'd like to think we have a shot at almost 80% this time. Two things are hot in this vote, 1. mergers, 2. the contract sux real bad and is worse than the previous one.

A Yes Vote on this contract WITH a merger means this. Bottom line.

A No Vote on this contract WITH a merger means this. Bottom line.

Canale mentioned the United merger last week. I reported 3 weeks ago that it will happen the 3rd week of May. Over the next two weeks, I'm sure more reports will come out.

The last thing any one of us should want is to lose patience and vote in a contract that sux right before a merger announcement. In such a case 'we be screwed' for 7 years of famine.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[roosterfish]

KDKA News in Pittsburgh just announced that US Airways and United were discussing a possible merger.

THE STREET - US AIRWAYS, UNITED DISCUSSED MERGER

One thing is certain -- were United to acquire US Airways, the price would be less than the $11.6 billion that United agreed to pay when the deal was proposed in 2000. In fact, some insiders felt that regulators turned down the deal when United backed away after deciding the price was too high.


Are we worth 11.6 billion?
Does United have 11.6B and/or can it acquire the money from investors?

...if both answers are yes then we really can't let the CIC go.

even if the CIC language wasn't an issue, this is still a crappy contract. it's somewhat worse than september's. it seems that nothing was gained or negociated.

 

[seekthetruth]

I'd like to say that in previous posts I was pro TA and in doing so I believed I
was correct. After reading this past TA and speaking to some of my friends some
of which sit high up in the IAM and thier knowing what the not to distant future
might hold for us I'm saddened. They tell me its' a good deal with a smile and when
I question them about June they don't care. They've been told they'll be taken care
of. This may be a final bow with a middle finger to the fleet.........bye. Ohh and I will be
a NO.

 

[rat tales]

At any rate, it's unimportant whether I am the Local Chairman or not so no big deal.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago


Wow. Your last statement would be funny if it weren't for the many people that have been misled by you. I don't know you and we have never met. I don't know Canale and we have never met, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure you out. The sad thing is that this should be a forum where employees can discuss and express the pros and cons of a TA that will deeply impact their future and that of their families. The last thing we need is misinformation and scare tactics from within our own for the purpose of self interest. You have requested a debate with Canale which will no doubt be denied for so many reasons. First of all, what qualifies you to speak on our behalf? Canale has been doing this for over 30 years - what makes you a better representative for the 7,700 rampers and their future? Exactly how many contracts have you personally neggociated with, and what results did you achieve? When and where did you recieve training? Please tell us. Don't let the facts get in your way. If, as you say, it's "not important" and "no big deal" whether you are who you say you are, and you want us to believe you and your No Direction cronies are better equipped to represent us, than we are in alot of trouble. Please answer the 2 simple questions - Thank you.

Tim has a history on this board spanning 5 years. You have one week. If you want credibility then review his post history and comment then. Instead of finger pointing why don't you demonstrate your views with specific facts that can be cited.
The moderators have warned us of making this personal. You have this thread closed and you ruin it for everyone!

 

[Tim Nelson]

At any rate, it's unimportant whether I am the Local Chairman or not so no big deal.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago


Wow. Your last statement would be funny if it weren't for the many people that have been misled by you. I don't know you and we have never met. I don't know Canale and we have never met, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure you out. The sad thing is that this should be a forum where employees can discuss and express the pros and cons of a TA that will deeply impact their future and that of their families. The last thing we need is misinformation and scare tactics from within our own for the purpose of self interest. You have requested a debate with Canale which will no doubt be denied for so many reasons. First of all, what qualifies you to speak on our behalf? Canale has been doing this for over 30 years - what makes you a better representative for the 7,700 rampers and their future? Exactly how many contracts have you personally neggociated with, and what results did you achieve? When and where did you recieve training? Please tell us. Don't let the facts get in your way. If, as you say, it's "not important" and "no big deal" whether you are who you say you are, and you want us to believe you and your No Direction cronies are better equipped to represent us, than we are in alot of trouble. Please answer the 2 simple questions - Thank you.

I didn't mean to suggest that I was representing anyone in a debate. The point of debating is to flush out and unpack the issues from two opposing viewpoints. I think Canale's experience speaks for why ORD, DEN, HNL, JFK, LAS, PHX, PIT, CLT, PHL all nominated against him. Stick to the issues and stop making this a personal attack against me. The topics of merger and this vote are much more interesting than me.

Here's what a Yes vote means in a United Airline Merger

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[b737200]

HERE'S THE DEAL...............................

If, Nate G. LAX AGC, Pat F. PHL AGC, Jeff R. CLT AGC,Mark W. AGC PIT, would have thier
compensation package's ( wages and benefits) to reflect the same as what is in the T/A.
I would follow thier lead and vote for it. It would save the IAM money and possibly
reduce are dues that we currently pay.
These guy's negotiated it, they endorse it and if it's that good they should live by it too.

Grow some balls Mr AGC'S, step up to the plate and lead the workers you represent!
Thier contract should be no better than the one we work under. Any taker's.

Until you do my vote is NO and I will lobby for a no vote.

You guy's wore the same uniform I wear now and you are no better, the only difference is,
you think you are better.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Why hasn't it happened yet?

Maybe because the pilot union fiasco-
Maybe because Dougie is waiting for the highest bidder-
For all we know, it is happening right now behind closed doors.

But Fleet CIC language will NOT hold anything up and I think most you know that.

I've been watching your posts for days now and have been quiet on this board for a while, but even though what you say about the CIC may be true, it may not hold up a merger or future company plans but myself and many others in this company see this TA for what it is.......

1.Canale's final last move to stick it up our a**es. truth is he knows he's done in June and blames US Ramp, as he should.....he's been screwing us for years.

2.The companies final attempt to lock us in at the lowest pay and benefits in the industry post merger, we will become the new America West employees stuck at the bottom for years to come while our merger partners ramp employees are paid a much higher wage along with more benefits....

You need to read this.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archive...oneymoon-i.html

Our friends on the ramp at UA currently make $20.57 per hour and with your time get 6 weeks vacation.......

Now I don't know about you, but I certainly would rather wait a while longer to get what they have if we do merge, than be stuck with this measly TA that gets you nothing at all for the long term.....

If we don't merge, we will be in normal negotiations soon enough and stand a much better chance of getting an agreement with teeth. On top of that Canale and his $100,000.00 cronies will be out. No one, I mean no-one could possibly do any worse then he has for US Fleet Service.

I do understand where your coming from, but you are truly selling yourself very short by voting in this TA.....I mean if we actually were getting something half descent, I could see....but look at it it....very weak...

I will not tell you or anyone else how to vote in this, but what I do ask is that everyone seek out as much information as you can and educate yourselves. This company wants this group surpressed as much as possible....Let's say it makes our dress prettier to whomever we do merge with....That is fact..

Thanks For Listening....

 

[Rock Bottom]

Just one question to all my brothers that feel that we should vote yes. Do you want to go into another merger without the CIC clause?
If it is true the united and useless airways have been in talks, then wouldn’t it be in your best interest to have a CIC clause?
Also if you were United airline would you want a company with a labor dispute?
I feel that this company will want us settled before they could merge, so vote no. Make them come back to the table. Otherwise they can never pop their golden parachutes.
They will come back to the table.

Know the past and you will predict the future.

 

[wheels up!!]

Wheels Down,

It's time to come in for a landing...............the air is too thin up there for you.

Forget the district lodge and come down to earth. It seems the ORD local finds Tim an acceptable Rep for them. Thats what matters. Lets get back to the topic at hand ......Newbie...Joined 11 april 08....Yeah right!

Amazing, isn't it, that it only took me a few days to seperate the BS this No Direction team is feeding everyone from the truth. I guess your extensive board seniority ( 8 months ) has also affected your eyesight. It's the IAM District Office @ 1-847-640-2222 that will verify that a "Tim Nelson" is not the Local Chair. To your dismay, Mike, my opinion is as relevant as yours, and my vote will count equally also. Thank you

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Why hasn't it happened yet?

Maybe because the pilot union fiasco-
Maybe because Dougie is waiting for the highest bidder-
For all we know, it is happening right now behind closed doors.

But Fleet CIC language will NOT hold anything up and I think most you know that.

I've been watching your posts for days now and have been quiet on this board for a while, but even though what you say about the CIC may be true, it may not hold up a merger or future company plans but myself and many others in this company see this TA for what it is.......

1.Canale's final last move to stick it up our a**es. truth is he knows he's done in June and blames US Ramp, as he should.....he's been screwing us for years.

2.The companies final attempt to lock us in at the lowest pay and benefits in the industry post merger, we will become the new America West employees stuck at the bottom for years to come while our merger partners ramp employees are paid a much higher wage along with more benefits....

You need to read this.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archive...oneymoon-i.html

Our friends on the ramp at UA currently make $20.57 per hour and with your time get 6 weeks vacation.......

Now I don't know about you, but I certainly would rather wait a while longer to get what they have if we do merge, than be stuck with this measly TA that gets you nothing at all for the long term.....

If we don't merge, we will be in normal negotiations soon enough and stand a much better chance of getting an agreement with teeth. On top of that Canale and his $100,000.00 cronies will be out. No one, I mean no-one could possibly do any worse then he has for US Fleet Service.

I do understand where your coming from, but you are truly selling yourself very short by voting in this TA.....I mean if we actually were getting something half descent, I could see....but look at it it....very weak...

I will not tell you or anyone else how to vote in this, but what I do ask is that everyone seek out as much information as you can and educate yourselves. This company wants this group surpressed as much as possible....Let's say it makes our dress prettier to whomever we do merge with....That is fact..

Thanks For Listening....

 

[Dissent Equals Patriotism]

You have requested a debate with Canale which will no doubt be denied for so many reasons. First of all, what qualifies you to speak on our behalf? Canale has been doing this for over 30 years - what makes you a better representative for the 7,700 rampers and their future?

Because all sides should be heard, facts and opinions alike! How else can you make an informed decision?

I am a solid no vote, but I will still go to the IAM informational meetings, if only to reinforce the decision I made.

The Truth does not fear investigation nor does it fear debate.

Agent “Vâ€￾