IAM Fleet Service topic (Mini Thread)

[The Bagfather]

In regard to PHX support for the TA: One of the reasons the
rest of us and I believe PHX also is because the Company
was allowed to give raises to new hires because there were
some incredible amount of open lines (200 or 500?) I forget.

Now this latest TA has explicit lanquage to allow this. So
what's going to happen? In three years as UA or still US
we all of the sudden see new hires come in at $15/hr. wherever needed .
I don't think that's unrealistic with the potential for
inflation brewing up.

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

Hey Tim, if we merge with OAL, is there any language in the RLA that forces the company or union to come to one contract?


Why do you now say as long as 2016 insted of 2009 to be under one contract?

Do you think the government would allow us to merge and have 3 different workgroups for fleet, FA, and Pilots?

 

[roabilly]

Chill...

love that logo!

urbff...is that some of your graphics ?

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

Um, it was my first photoshop attempt haha! I just googled a random pile of doodie and found the official IAM logo and out it came.

Im surprised Dick's lettin it fly!

 

[roabilly]

Um, it was my first photoshop attempt haha! I just googled a random pile of doodie and found the official IAM logo and out it came.

Im surprised Dick's lettin it fly!

Well ....it is applicable to Fleet Service…and the IAM… so I see no infringement!

I thought perhaps... Ms. Shocker may have done the artwork!

 

[robbedagain]

Here is another scenario: What if and only if say UAL buys US whats to say they wont try to bring their employees down to US contract the current one not the one being voted on?

 

[roabilly]

Here is another scenario: What if and only if say UAL buys US whats to say they wont try to bring their employees down to US contract the current one not the one being voted on?

Anything can friggin' happen my man !

Thats why CLT sez hold 'um... till tha storm blows over !

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

First of all, I hear you loud and clear when you say that if we vote this contract in and we merge with UA that we will be making less than the UA employees. I think that is a good possibility. It is not the only possibility however. If the combined companies CEO isn't Doug Parker, maybe we would integrate sooner before later into a transitional agreement. I know this is only a small possibility but none the less it is possible. Here is another possibility. We vote down this contract and merge with UA and the west employees stay at $15.20 top out for the next 2-3 years. Come on Tim, how would you expect us to be happy with that? Tim, there are too many if's in your scenario for at least the majority in PHX to vote no. If we would get radical, I would be on board but with the complacency I see out there.........YES!!!!!!

There is no model for the scenerio you mentioned as it has never existed before. In theory I guess an airline can 'ax grind' itself with 3 separate ramp contracts for one airline but I see that model as basically nonsense. Just hasn't happened. And Hemenway's constant coming back suggest otherwise anyways. Just further evidence that Henenway needs this contract worse than fleet service does.

The model I put forth was reasonable and made good sense. You guys are living it and the east doesn't want anything to do with signing a bonehead contract and then merging and being stuck with this bonehead contract.

I am not a westie and I will respect however you guys vote since we still have to stick together regardless of the outcome of the vote.

BTW, I have a letter from MR who BS's so much I actually have to do a feature article about it just to show everyone exactly all the smoke blowing she's doing.

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regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

Hey Tim, if we merge with OAL, is there any language in the RLA that forces the company or union to come to one contract?


Why do you now say as long as 2016 insted of 2009 to be under one contract?

Do you think the government would allow us to merge and have 3 different workgroups for fleet, FA, and Pilots?

No you can't be forced into the east contract, that's utter nonsense and rubbish.

I know RR is telling you guys that you will be forced under the east contract if this vote doesn't pass. Who's going to force this upon you? That is not true. Neither the government, company or District Chairman can force you into the east contract. Any major change in your contract has to come with a vote by IAM Bylaw. Further, in theory even if Randy Canale could force you into the east contract he would have to be a madman but the IAm would never allow such a destructive act even if he could. RR is running his PHX mouth because he wants his $120,000 pyramid chance. Bottom line. The smoke blowing from him is getting so high in PHX I can see it in Chicago.

The reason why I say this contract will last until at minimum 2016 is because it will be up in 2012 and then it will take at minimum another 4 years since United will not be in any hurry to change it.
Kinda like how US AIRWAYS is doing you right now.

At least PHX was lucky enough that us easties shared our profit sharing with you guys. Do you think the United rampers would be so kind?


regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[Tim Nelson]

ATTENTION CLT FLEET SERVICE
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Today, the CLT grievance committee began an informational campaign to educate the Membership on the negative complexities of this Tentative Agreement.

For the first time, since I have been a dues paying member of the IAM, has any such event ever actually taken place!

We were informed by our Grievance Committee Chairman, as well as the two other Committee Members, in a completely unbiased…transparent…and factual manner as to how they felt about this T/A.

I’ll have to say… the response was of grave concern, and anger by the Membership… as to the ramifications of ratifying this T/A just prior to an imminent merger, or acquisition by another carrier.

Further… we were enlightened as to how the actual process of these negotiations transpired… including how our CLT representative was “black balled†from any further participation in the process, once it was learned he was in disagreement.

Our representative went on to explain his reasons for not being in agreement with
Mr. Canale and Mr. Hemenway.

Charlotte… how does it feel… to actually have an ELECTED Union representative go to negotiations and fight for you…and not his own paycheck?

Mike was the only guy there with the balls to say No. He had the wisdom to understand the detrimental effects of a merger if this contract got signed and he had the CHARACTER to put his membership before himself.

here, you'll get a chuckle out of this one. Pit's head guy MW went around the breakrooms today showing everyone that in 2012 they will be making $20.57 or about $3 more than they are now. Funny that MW didn't tell them that the industry standard is much higher than that right now and that even Non-union Continental is at that now. MW also played down the COC and didn't want to respond to much discussion about a merger.

BTW, I heard that our negotiations team really didn't even negotiate and that Randy just left the whole team at the Hotel on thursday to 'twiddle their thumbs' so he alone could go and 'chat' with his buddy Hemenway. Then on Friday when the team was suppose to negotiate, apparently Randy already worked out this rag with Al because AL came into the room, presented the offer and the whole negotiations session lasted only '4 minutes'. 4 minutes of anything isn't a good thing.

Don't let Boss Canale kid you, there were no negotiations. This rag is the witness to those 4 minute sessions.

You heard of '4 minute abs?" Randy does "4 minute negotiations". That's right negotiate a contract in 4 minutes! Of course, this rag is that witness so this really isn't so funny....true enough tough, I'm not kiddn.

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regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[kmsurvey]

My shop steward said that Mark Wingard told him that we lost something in this TA that we could of had but
the discussion on the web he said nixed it. He would not go into detail but I assume that since company kiss a$$es monitor this site they see how easy some of us are. All this talk "I think $19 an hour is a decent wage" and "We've been waiting too long" etc. etc. just shows the company that they dangle just enough that they just might get it thru. Diarrhea mouth just got us screwed.

 

[mike33]

Tim,
If we would get radical, I would be on board but with the complacency I see out there.........YES!!!!!!

I don't get it. Being radical has it's time but this is not about being radical when you have COC language. I know it's hard to believe, but Hemenway

believes it........... otherwise he wouldn't want it out.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Here is another scenario: What if and only if say UAL buys US whats to say they wont try to bring their employees down to US contract the current one not the one being voted on?

They can't bring the employees down because it's a binding agreement. OTOH, they wouldn't bring us up. I mean really, i'm not kiddn, fleet service gotta be drunk to vote this rag in. I mean, by itself it sux but when your own union has a 'merger watch' and your own CEO has to send you a letter saying how US AIRWAYS is in merger talks, doesn't that ring a bell to hold your position as opposed to voting in a garbage contract that will shut off your voice for 8 years?

Fleet service has themselves to blame if they end up working side by side United Airline workers who are making much more and twice the benefits. And let's not expect Canale or whoever to volunteer their profit sharing checks with us!

Mind boggling, a yes vote is SELF DESTRUCTIVE knowing a merger is coming. A Yes vote screws the masses over till 2016+. A No vote holds the position and keeps you in the game when all this money is changing hands. I mean, vote yes if you get extra vacation or 30% raise like the mechanics got, but we didn't get squat. 16% raise at top out, half of a mechanic, and the bottom got hosed again.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[P. REZ]

Tim,

My 3 contracts on the premises is believable because of everything i've seen to this point with Canale and Dougie. Now let's roll the dice? No thanks. I do respect that you have a passion for trying to keep the members up on issues but I don't see that enough people are dedicated to the hard line that needs to be taken to get better than what has been offered 2 times within 8 months. $20.47 top out 7/2012

 

[roabilly]

My shop steward said that Mark Wingard told him that we lost something in this TA that we could of had but
the discussion on the web he said nixed it. He would not go into detail but I assume that since company kiss a$$es monitor this site they see how easy some of us are. All this talk "I think $19 an hour is a decent wage" and "We've been waiting too long" etc. etc. just shows the company that they dangle just enough that they just might get it thru. Diarrhea mouth just got us screwed.

Survey…

The whole argument that this on-line blog has “tipped†our (Fleet Service)… hand or telegraphed our sentiments …is purely… Bull S*** !

If I were ahh bettin’ man, I would surmise, that if anything… this blog has served as a catalyst to convey directly to anyone… Company or Union, that we will accept nothing less than Industry Standard Compensation!

This message has been repeated in this forum over…and …over again…by virtually every Fleet Service member of this thread.

Further… I’m sure, that's what our adversaries want us to believe…so that we discontinue our solidarity discussions, in fear that we may be too “transparentâ€â€¦something the IAM must come to accept as a demanded change from them!