GoldenRam94
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So he's heard cases of dopers and professionals that throw a tantrum when they don't get what they want?
He is qualified to be a Union Rep In Philly then!
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He is qualified to be a Union Rep In Philly then!
Tim Nelson
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This contract screws everyone over and we ALL know that. Anyone who doesn't think Hemenway won't be back to the table must be drunk. Hemenway needs this worse than fleet service does and if the vote No is on a THursday, he'll be on the phone on Friday. Bottom line. There is too much at stake for him. Last September him and Canale lied through their teeth to you folks and said, "Your choice will be between voting for this contract or waiting till 2009." Now, both the company managers and the Union Bosses are singing once again the same song saying if you don't vote for this you will have to wait till 2009.
For those who belive that, all I can say is that you need your heads examined. What is the difference between September or Now?????
Everyone knows the thing that is fueling these talks is mergers and your COC which must be eliminated. Screw this contract, keep the COC, and force Hemenway to do this right. Canale will be taken care of internally and his days are definately numbered. If there was EVER a time to vote no, NOW IS THE TIME. Everything is set up. Canale will be out, a merger will be in, and besides this contract is not worthy of one Yes vote. It is deplorable.
Hemenway needs this more than you so don't screw yourselves over and vote in a pathetic contract 3 weeks before a merger is announced with either United or American. Then you will only have yourselves to blame for branding yourselves under a pathetic contract for 8 years.
I hear you guys all say how you despise Hemenway and Canale, don't do the unthinkable and support them trying to hose you guys over by collaring you with an industry worst contract. And don't believe all these union bums coming into your breakrooms with their $120,000 jobs talking down to you and telling you if you vote this out then you will wait 3 more years. That is a 100% lie. Bottom line! It's a Lie.
The thought that you will have to wait is the thought that some are troubled over. I;ll be putting out some information on this so you can be confident that 'No way in Hell' does Hemenway NOT come back. Hell, he has never left. Wake up people!
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
This contract screws everyone over and we ALL know that. Anyone who doesn't think Hemenway won't be back to the table must be drunk. Hemenway needs this worse than fleet service does and if the vote No is on a THursday, he'll be on the phone on Friday. Bottom line. There is too much at stake for him. Last September him and Canale lied through their teeth to you folks and said, "Your choice will be between voting for this contract or waiting till 2009." Now, both the company managers and the Union Bosses are singing once again the same song saying if you don't vote for this you will have to wait till 2009.
For those who belive that, all I can say is that you need your heads examined. What is the difference between September or Now?????
Everyone knows the thing that is fueling these talks is mergers and your COC which must be eliminated. Screw this contract, keep the COC, and force Hemenway to do this right. Canale will be taken care of internally and his days are definately numbered. If there was EVER a time to vote no, NOW IS THE TIME. Everything is set up. Canale will be out, a merger will be in, and besides this contract is not worthy of one Yes vote. It is deplorable.
Hemenway needs this more than you so don't screw yourselves over and vote in a pathetic contract 3 weeks before a merger is announced with either United or American. Then you will only have yourselves to blame for branding yourselves under a pathetic contract for 8 years.
I hear you guys all say how you despise Hemenway and Canale, don't do the unthinkable and support them trying to hose you guys over by collaring you with an industry worst contract. And don't believe all these union bums coming into your breakrooms with their $120,000 jobs talking down to you and telling you if you vote this out then you will wait 3 more years. That is a 100% lie. Bottom line! It's a Lie.
The thought that you will have to wait is the thought that some are troubled over. I;ll be putting out some information on this so you can be confident that 'No way in Hell' does Hemenway NOT come back. Hell, he has never left. Wake up people!
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
JoeDirt,
I hear you man. Don't get me wrong, I have already admitted this is a POS contract. I also realize there are many scenarios you can come up with. I want to point out that my scenarios have all assumed senior topped out employees but if you look at the money the west employees not topped out are missing out on it is staggering. I would also like to mention that the west employees are out of the pension again for 2008 which cost us $$$thousands. And last but not least, the T/A that came out on 8-10-07 has the same top out as the T/A that came out 4-11-08. What makes anyone think that if we vote this down that the top out would change and if it did that it would make up for monies already lost.
P. REZ
I hear you man. Don't get me wrong, I have already admitted this is a POS contract. I also realize there are many scenarios you can come up with. I want to point out that my scenarios have all assumed senior topped out employees but if you look at the money the west employees not topped out are missing out on it is staggering. I would also like to mention that the west employees are out of the pension again for 2008 which cost us $$$thousands. And last but not least, the T/A that came out on 8-10-07 has the same top out as the T/A that came out 4-11-08. What makes anyone think that if we vote this down that the top out would change and if it did that it would make up for monies already lost.
P. REZ
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One of my biggest gripes is the fact that the raise is not across the board. The M&R T/A gave the same % across the whole pay scale and 3% annual raises. The 3% might keep up with inflation but there is no way the 2% we were offered will. We would be basically accepting a pay cut annually. I feel if we accept this we are selling ourselves short. Even if we took the T/A another 1% on the annual raises would take us up to $21.38 by July 2012. Not only is it a POS its an insult also.
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Both pilot sides agreed to USAPA, so now they begin their negotiations... Pilots always get what they want so that just leaves us left to deal with, right? More bargaining power for us, or am I just kidding myself?
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Heard back from my friend Ken Thiede [District Lodge Chairman before Canale]. The only contracts that Ken let Randy negotiate were a couple oil companies with a few dozen employees. Randy said he had 35 years of experience negotiating contracts. Well, according to what I heard, Randy didn't negotiate any airline contract under Thiede's term. And to this date, Randy has not negotiated any contract at US AIRWAYS. His contracts were always, "Live to fight another day" "I had a knife to my belly and a gun to my head" and now the "Aloha and Skybus went bankrupt and the stock is low and Hemenway aint coming back."
Moron....we got a moron for 50 more days.
CONTRACT UPDATE:
Pit: MW was going around BSing to the masses today. MW sez the COC is only worth $19.49 and BS'd through his teeth. MW has about $120,000 reasons to BS. Bottom line is that it is worth $21.43 according to the pay parity letter which sez the pay parity adjustment can never go down and $21.43 was the last raise. This is clear. Of course, Hemenway knows better and that is why he wants it out. FWIW: If MW is right then why didn't Hemenway leave the COC in there since within 6 months the pay goes up to $19.38? In effect MW was saying the COC is only worth a bit more than a nickel. Don't believe him or the other union bosses, they haven't told the truth in forever and they always talk down to you and try to discourage you like the masses aren't worth anything.
Also, believe it or not, this contract is close to a concession for class 1 stations. Imagine that, after $1 billion of profits, mechanic raises of 30%, 200% Management bonus plan...but the class 1 stations get screwed since as Canale said, "Aloha went bankrupt and the stock is Low and PHX needs a raise".
Remember, if this contract is voted out, Canale won't be around to screw things up again as we will handle him internally in the June democratic vote.
Hemenway has to come back to the table, he always does, so go by his own actions. He needs this to pass worse than the ramp rats do. Wait for the merger and enhance your negotiations leverage, NEVER sell out before a merger. You've waited 5 years, you can wait another few months. If American buys us, how many of you are going to end up at the bottom of American's seniority roster since Randy didn't add any seniority protections in case of merger??? If United buys us, do you really think UA will share its profits with you if you vote this rag in?
Best part about all of this is Randy won't be around to rejoin the negotiations team once this is voted out. The New officers will transition to the negotiations team. But this nonsense of 4 weeks vacation, worst sick policy, and industry bottom wage is insulting after $1 billion in profits and the second best balance sheet in the industry. Force hemenway back to the table and don't support him and Canale's latest treason against you the masses.
Contract Info Page
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
Moron....we got a moron for 50 more days.
CONTRACT UPDATE:
Pit: MW was going around BSing to the masses today. MW sez the COC is only worth $19.49 and BS'd through his teeth. MW has about $120,000 reasons to BS. Bottom line is that it is worth $21.43 according to the pay parity letter which sez the pay parity adjustment can never go down and $21.43 was the last raise. This is clear. Of course, Hemenway knows better and that is why he wants it out. FWIW: If MW is right then why didn't Hemenway leave the COC in there since within 6 months the pay goes up to $19.38? In effect MW was saying the COC is only worth a bit more than a nickel. Don't believe him or the other union bosses, they haven't told the truth in forever and they always talk down to you and try to discourage you like the masses aren't worth anything.
Also, believe it or not, this contract is close to a concession for class 1 stations. Imagine that, after $1 billion of profits, mechanic raises of 30%, 200% Management bonus plan...but the class 1 stations get screwed since as Canale said, "Aloha went bankrupt and the stock is Low and PHX needs a raise".
Remember, if this contract is voted out, Canale won't be around to screw things up again as we will handle him internally in the June democratic vote.
Hemenway has to come back to the table, he always does, so go by his own actions. He needs this to pass worse than the ramp rats do. Wait for the merger and enhance your negotiations leverage, NEVER sell out before a merger. You've waited 5 years, you can wait another few months. If American buys us, how many of you are going to end up at the bottom of American's seniority roster since Randy didn't add any seniority protections in case of merger??? If United buys us, do you really think UA will share its profits with you if you vote this rag in?
Best part about all of this is Randy won't be around to rejoin the negotiations team once this is voted out. The New officers will transition to the negotiations team. But this nonsense of 4 weeks vacation, worst sick policy, and industry bottom wage is insulting after $1 billion in profits and the second best balance sheet in the industry. Force hemenway back to the table and don't support him and Canale's latest treason against you the masses.
Contract Info Page
regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
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That TA isn't worth the paper it's printed on if there is a merger with COC because all will revert back to the "Pay Parity" clause for those who gave up monies. Get back is 2%-2%-2% and everyone gets 3% on july 1 2008 plus Language on 12/31/2008.
Al give us what we deserve and you can have what you need and you can live HAPPILY EVER AFTER..................
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give us what we deserve
nothing is given , we must fight for everything , begging won't win the day .
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That's not necessarily true. Im sure there will be a transition process where Rich Delaney may immediately replace Randy Canale and then Rich can form his negotiations team. Remember, Rich and several others on our slate are already DL officers.
We don't need stinks like BC, MW, PF on there bobbing their head yes to everything Hemenway sez so I doubt they would continue on Rich's team.
Also, IMO, Hemenway and the company would probably want Canale removed also since if Randy's second contract gets shot down then he will have lost all legitimacy and credibility to get the job done also.
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regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago
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You can win the day and I'll take what we deserve. If you don't think you deserve that then thats your choice
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i want you to remember this post , if we merge with united the FIRST thing the us airways controlled UNION will do is file another COC grievance , at that time ALL TRANSTIONAL TALKS WILL STOP .Another year and a half will pass by in which time nothing gets done as we play the entire scene from act I over in the courts again . Your heads will once again be filled with dreams of snap back wages and back pay , and once again the arbiter will rule against you . THEN the company will return to the table and insist on a losers contract , by that time you may be where we in the west are and feel it’s better to accept something rather than continue on in poverty , however sadly for you the united workers will say to you , what you have just said to us ….
That is why we must rid ourselves of this great weight around our necks called the COC , all it does is hinder forward progress….
Bring the west up to your level of pay and when it’s time shortly to sit at the next bargaining table we will be able to push and HOLD OUT for a better contract .
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