IAM 141 TA discussion

[mike33]

I'll take that as good info

 

[700UW]

It is correct, been there done that.

 

[Planemx]

Mike,

The east nor the west cannot use chaos, niether side is in section 6 negotiations, therefore there is no threat of a strike.

You can only strike or use chaos after the NMB has released you and the 30 day cooling off period expires.

Create havoc around our system......Don't see the word strike anywhere in those words. It doesn't have to be a 'strike'.

 

[700UW]

Read up on CHAOS, they can only use it when they are released after the 30 day cooling off period expires, CHAOS is a part of self-help and can only be done when released by the NMB.

United cannot legally fire Flight Attendants for participating in a legal strike action. AFA will not instruct Flight Attendants to begin strike actions until we are satisfied that the legal justification for a strike has been met. If management illegally fires anyone for participating in an authorized CHAOS strike, AFA will go to court and fight to get your job back. When Alaska Airlines Flight Attendants were fired for participating in CHAOS, they were reinstated because the court found the CHAOS strategy to be lawful.

CHAOS from the AFA

 

[SpinDoc]

CHAOSâ„¢-

C - Crusty
H - Hoes
A - Aborting
O - Our
S - Service

'nuff said.

Spin

 

[700UW]

That is uncalled for, we know you hate unions, but that is rude.

 

[b737200]

You guy's are acting like old women,
If you work by the safety rules imposed by the company, speed limits, etc., etc.,
you have your chaos. The cut the corner guy's are the ones that kill you and maim you and work like
rabid dogs to make it all work out, and the final outcome is........................... management slapdown.

Stop talking about all this shxt your gonna do and let's get to the meat and potatoes.
Coming in Feb., It's nomination month for district officers, and it't important to get your
fellow workers to the union hall to vote for the new direction team. This will be a reminder
to "cheap suites" that workers are not satisfied with his representation of usair fleet service.
This message is a prelude to " great pain" cheap suites will have to burden in the up coming
month's. In the next few month's, you will see members of his slate start slipping into the
shadows for they will know, if your close to "cheap suites" your gonna lose the 100,000.00
pay check. Those closest to the district chairman will suffer the most pain, they don't
have a board of director's job to fall back on, only the hard concrete of a tarmac and fellow workers
whom dispise them.

 

[roadtrip]

Mike,

The east nor the west cannot use chaos, niether side is in section 6 negotiations, therefore there is no threat of a strike.

You can only strike or use chaos after the NMB has released you and the 30 day cooling off period expires.

The west did serve section six notice under the TWU contract which is now amendable. The Canale is not using this powerful tool to pressure the company to give us a combined contract for east and west. The west rank and file should be mad as hell that Canale is not using every tool at the table . If the company won't give us a fair deal then put the west in full section six push for a 30 day cooling off send those westies to other cities set up Strike lines and shut this "Fn" company down! Start talking this game at the table and watch how fast we start getting results. Oh and think about it I bet the other unions would love to honor a legal strike line right about now!

 

[700UW]

It takes at least a year or more to reach the point of being allowed to strike.

You have to go through the whole process of Section 6 and then you are not guaranteed the right to strike, the NMB can deny you or the President can prevent it for another 60 days and even after that he can have Congress legislate your CBA.

We went three years before we were allowed to strike.

Section 6 Flow Chart

They have only reached the direct negotiations part.

We have gone over four years one time and the NMB would not release us to strike.

 

[mike33]

C - Crusty
H - Hoes
A - Aborting
O - Our
S - Service

'nuff said.

Spin

It can stand for anything you want. Guess your name "SpinDoc" suits you, but the real meaning sticks, and yes there was no mention of strike 700. The article referred to their " Experience "

 

[700UW]

I posted the CHAOS information, AFA is only free to use CHAOS, which is a form a self-help a strike after the 30 day cooling off period has expired, read AFA and CHAOS.

What is CHAOS™?
What is CHAOS?
CHAOS - Create Havoc Around Our System™ - is a strike action that may take many forms. It may call for a mass walkout for a day or a week at a time, with no advanced notice to the company or to the passengers. We may strike a certain domicile or a certain piece of equipment. We may strike the entire system for 15 minutes, or strike all of the odd numbered gates in Denver for a day. Or, as AFA did with success at Alaska Airlines, we may ask Flight Attendants to walk off individual flights at random and with no warning. CHAOS is a strategically planned and targeted set of actions designed to use our strengths to put pressure on management.

Why CHAOS and not a traditional strike?
CHAOS maximizes our impact on management, and minimizes the risk to Flight Attendants. Unlike a traditional strike, United management will not be able to predict when and where we will strike. Management will not know if we will conduct a mass strike, strike certain flights, strike certain cities, or conduct a mass strike for 15 min utes. CHAOS also allows Flight Attendants to continue to work and receive a paycheck right up until the strategic strike and then return to work again. CHAOS protects against the use of re-placement Flight Attendants. For example, roving one-day strikes at one do micile at a time would foul up the whole system, but going back after a day would guard against the deployment of replace ments. By selectively striking only on layovers, at certain cities or on certain days when staffing is at a minimum and there is a lack of available Flight Attendants, even a single striking crewmember could shut down a flight. Targeted strikes against specific types of aircraft or specific routes on a given day make it very difficult for the company to plan its schedule and react to CHAOS actions.

 

[rat tales]

It takes at least a year or more to reach the point of being allowed to strike.

You have to go through the whole process of Section 6 and then you are not guaranteed the right to strike, the NMB can deny you or the President can prevent it for another 60 days and even after that he can have Congress legislate your CBA.

We went three years before we were allowed to strike.

Section 6 Flow Chart

They have only reached the direct negotiations part.

We have gone over four years one time and the NMB would not release us to strike.

700,
Are you not making our point. The west was already two years into it with two additional years having already gone by. Our self touting "EXPERIENCED" President has demonstrated how NOT to negotiate. He should sharpen his LEVEL I chess playing skills on the checkers board with the geezers in the park. His "We are closing the candy store" rant was the shot heard 'round the world. That foolish rant gave the company the reason to justify filing BK. He was spanked at every turn in the courts. He demonstrated how Big Corporations could rape their work force and get the retirement monkey off their backs without a peep from the unions.
Everyone followed the company's lead. Delta and United just had to borrow US Airways play book. At least the United boys had the Ba**s to vote their first offer down in spite of Canale! They got a better offer in spite of Randy. I know what I would do if I found out my Lawyer was sleeping with my ex to-be. Fire him!
I'll bet they have custom embroidered pillows on the company bed. "Cheap Suits" and "Cheeks".
We need "A New Direction".

 

[700UW]

I am trying to explain the process, you are not even in mediated negotiations with the NMB, it can take years before you reach a cooling off period.

I am providing facts and cases of what has happened.

We went three years then four years on CBAs and were only permitted to strike one time by the NMB, which was in 1992, negotiated from march of 89 till october of 92.

The process takes years and favors the company, especially with the current administrationin power.

 

[rat tales]

I am trying to explain the process, you are not even in mediated negotiations with the NMB, it can take years before you reach a cooling off period.

I am providing facts and cases of what has happened.

We went three years then four years on CBAs and were only permitted to strike one time by the NMB, which was in 1992, negotiated from march of 89 till october of 92.

The process takes years and favors the company, especially with the current administrationin power.

I know, and I could be wrong, but the argument was made with you a year ago that the west should have continued Section 6 to bring strength to the Transition talks. All we heard from "Cheap Suits" was that it was fruitless. Everyone now knows that was bad strategy. He is showing true leadership by shoveling the "Bad economy" and "Blame the President" bullsh** on top of us.
I can't wait to see what our Committeeman brings to us. I know he can't give us specifics, but he can give us an idea how things went down. I'm glad that one of our three Committeeman was there. All three would rather die than sell their souls.

 

[700UW]

I am in agreement that 141 needs to file a mediation notice with the NMB on behalf of the west.

I posted the steps in Section 6, it can take years to reach the point of a strike, just warning you don't expect things to happen overnight if Section 6 takes place.

The railroads are going on over five years with Amtrak and just reached an agreement, for years Congress legislated their CBAs as the President would not let them strike.

Just as he did not let UA AMTs strike and AA's Pilots.

You are not guaranteed the right to strike under the RLA, go look at the flow chart that the link I posted.

I still believe the company would have no intention of settiling and just drags its feet in the process.