IAM 141 TA discussion

[Planemx]

Don't overreact to the company's proposal. The company needs a transition and it has plenty of money to get it done and is willing to get it done. A few more negotiations and $20 will get it passed. There aren't going to be any section 6 negotiations. Thank your solidarity when it happens, no thanks to Randy who told all of us in PHL that your last contract was the best you could expect.

PHL is together and will do its part in voting out Randy.

Give it a few weeks

I agree there won't be sec 6 neg....I also believe that the longer this goes the odds are better for a better T/A (if in fact Doug is setting US for a merge or a firesale). I also feel that the IAM (any union) should have NOTHING to due with your retirement (that is YOUR money to manage as YOU see fit - nobody else). No group should give up profit sharing ever...period. IMO profitsharing should not be a part of any negotiations - it should be part of the companys culture of getting the employees to care about their company....the better off the company is the more profitsharing you make. The employees have some buy in with respect to how they want the company to perform.

 

[Jester]

jester,
"he is getting West labor on the cheap and it is not affecting operations."

???WHY is it not effecting operations..

O-man,

Not sure how to read your question... are you doubting West operations not being effected or are you question why West hasn't made operations bad? I'll answer both ways:

West operations are pretty much the same if you take out the East screws ups. Not to say the old AWA operations were a model of efficiency, but they are about the same before the merger and after the merger. (By the way, nice touch from the PHL flight on day of the CIC ruling in which all PHX bags were left in PHL and 120 PHL Conx were shipped to PHX... interesting routing to have ALB, SCE, and BDL in PHX to be routed back through PHL.)

Part two of the question, I think people just do a general $9/hour job, which is a less than movitated work effort, so they already taking it out on the operations (and it shows). Now why don't they do less (or more harm)? Probably because there is some point at which one realizes not to do deliberate harm.

So Hypothesizes Jester.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Within 24 hours after posting on this site about the preivous CLT committeemen being allowed time off, things have now changed. Back to work for two of them.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chair, Chicago

 

[pjirish317]

Off topic I know, but does anybody know the answer? Can the district elections be voted on by absentee ballot? Just curious. Back on topic, we will see, although I disagree in the time frame. Here in my 2 cents worth, so Dougweiser if you read this pay attention.
$20.00 hr
All Iou's on the front end: ie doubletime, vacation/sick time accrual and pay, holidays & holiday pay, shift differentials.
Everybody at the same rate of pay at the same time.
All class I stations with no provisions to make any stations class II at the ammendable date.
Keep Profit sharing.
2% raises each year untill the ammendable date with 4.5% each year thereafter the ammendable date untill a new CBA is reached.(this to speed up negotiations).
And try to keep the outsourcing language out of it. NO OUTSOURCING

 

[bagchucker]

After reading the latest IAM update today, I'd surely say we are being primed for more disappointment.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Off topic I know, but does anybody know the answer? Can the district elections be voted on by absentee ballot? Just curious. Back on topic, we will see, although I disagree in the time frame. Here in my 2 cents worth, so Dougweiser if you read this pay attention.
$20.00 hr
All Iou's on the front end: ie doubletime, vacation/sick time accrual and pay, holidays & holiday pay, shift differentials.
Everybody at the same rate of pay at the same time.
All class I stations with no provisions to make any stations class II at the ammendable date.
Keep Profit sharing.
2% raises each year with 4.5% each year at the ammendable date (this to speed up negotiations).
With this I think Dougweiser will have a transition agreement.
IMO

Yes, absentee ballots count in the actual June vote, NOT the February nominations from what I understand. Nominations will be done at the Local and hopefully Canale and his Regime will experience the first sounds of the 'shock and awe' campaign to eliminate his deadweight from this continued treason against his very own members. A secondary benefit would be to show your company that you are fed up with Parker's boy. The bigger the turnout against Canale, the bigger the voice at the next round of negotiations.
The negotiations demand should be twofold and clear:
1. continue section 6 negotiations for the west
2. continue transition talks if the company is willing to stop its insults and disrespect to its employees and offers a fair contract.

In any case, there is NO reason to wait till 2010 if section 6 is allowed to continue. The west will alredy be far down the path, and the east will be armed with current contract language that allows it to sympathize [individually or in concert] without getting laid off, discharged, or disciplined. In essance, similar to striking. Remember, picket lines are by company....not station. Also, realize Canale will be gone and so will Bush so the environment will change.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chair, Chicago

 

[pjirish317]

Thank you Tim,
The guys at my work will appreciate knowing that they can vote for the district officers by absente ballot. As for nominations, still working on that. Can united guys in the same local vote for usairways nominated poeple, and vice versa? Just curious, planning on how many to bring to the meeting.

 

[Black Magic]

Yep, exactly what I said would happen. Company comes out with more gloom and doom about the economy, fuel prices ect. This whole IAM bankruptcy contract has gotten everyone nowhere! WE SHOULD HAVE JUST VOTED IN THE TWU AND HAD A FRESH START!!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Thank you Tim,
The guys at my work will appreciate knowing that they can vote for the district officers by absente ballot. As for nominations, still working on that. Can united guys in the same local vote for usairways nominated poeple, and vice versa? Just curious, planning on how many to bring to the meeting.

All DL141 members can vote for all candidates, the exception would be for the few VP slots [Hawaii, west, east]. The VP at large will be between "Lenzi or Roth" both from PHX, and all DL141 members could vote for either, doesn't matter if they work for UA, US, etc.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chair, Chicago

 

[lithuanian]

Have you NOT absorbed the comments on the 141! It's a waste of time trying to re-educate persons on this site!
It doesn't take someone who has worked for us A## more than a year to read the "Writing on the Wall".
This is why most people in Phoenix DON'T read here. They CAN"T and don't rely on a really poorly run industry. This airline is only ONE of the Worst Run. You either take and work for this S### or you go find a recession proof CAREER!
Some of us have spent alot of time trying to make airlines perfect. WOW! Like someone posted almost two years ago, and I have to agree, it is an ADVENTURE! But! Like many companies we make it our life long jobs.
I have written the union on their lack of their abilities and have emailed John Edwards asking for intervention. How much more does it take to move a group of "half-wits" to change what they feed off of the real world.

 

[pjirish317]

All DL141 members can vote for all candidates, the exception would be for the few VP slots [Hawaii, west, east]. The VP at large will be between "Lenzi or Roth" both from PHX, and all DL141 members could vote for either, doesn't matter if they work for UA, US, etc.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chair, Chicago

Even for nomonations?

 

[mike33]

After reading the latest IAM update today, I'd surely say we are being primed for more disappointment.

Everyone take a deeeep breath and relax......

You know as they say there is " more than one way to skin a cat ". It brings to mind a few things that happened in 2002 when some contract negotiations were being dragged out for long periods of time. What happened was the following:

MILWAUKEE — CHAOS™-experienced strikers from Alaska Airlines will attend a Midwest Express flight attendant meeting on Sun., 9/8, at 12:00 p.m. at the Sheraton Four Points Hotel in Milwaukee. The meeting will be closed to the press. The Alaska flight attendants will be flown in by their union to pass on lessons from their successful experience using CHAOS strikes to disrupt that airline’s schedule for nine months. That first CHAOS strike was designed for maximum impact on the airline and won an industry-leading contract for the flight attendants.

Alaska Airlines flight attendants, also represented by the Association of Flight Attendants, AFL-CIO, were the first flight attendants to strike using CHAOS. Alaska management, similar to Midwest Express management, had trained replacements who were flown around the system in an attempt to thwart a CHAOS strike. In the end, Alaska flight attendants struck just seven flights but drove away approximately 20% of the airline’s traffic, mostly business passengers afraid that CHAOS would disrupt their travel plans. Management’s preparations failed, passengers were stranded, and Alaska’s system was pushed to the brink of collapse.

Yes the changing of the guard is o.k. and so is section 6 but :
The RLA contains five basic purposes: Look whats number one

1.* To avoid any interruption to commerce.

2.* To ensure an unhindered right of employees to join a labor union (added in 1934).

3.* To provide complete independence of organization by both parties to carry out the purposes of the RLA.

4.* To assist in the prompt and orderly settlement of disputes covering rates of pay, work rules, or working conditions.

5.* To assist in the prompt and orderly settlement of disputes growing out of grievances or out of the interpretation or application of existing contracts covering the rates of pay, work rules or working conditions.

Number 1 is very very limiting ........think about it

CHAOS stands for Create Havoc Around Our System.................. Just the thought can scare the dog in this fight...

 

[Tim Nelson]

Even for nomonations?

yeah, even for nominations. The entire "New Directions Slate" can be nominated in your local.

regards,

Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chair, Chicago

 

[Henderfuzz]

Freedom,

my friend the COC was the icing on the cake. the other b/s in the t/a was what shot down the t/a

none of you westies even gave a second thought about farming out class II .. the east did

let's see no profit sharing yea that wasn't going to fly. .75 cent raise (after insur prem increase ) not going to fly either

pension contributions at the END of the contract . nope not going to work . Extend B/R contract 2 more years don't think

so. and so on and so

Excuse me the east guys cared about farming out . Yeah like you guys did when we voted in the current contract. Look at all the stations that got farmed our becasue of this contract. Give me a break. And dont come back yes but that was bankrupt deal. You didnt have the balls than to protect your brothers than you dont now.
Freedom dont let the east guys fool you they would sell the west down the river as long as the hubs are protected.

 

[700UW]

Mike,

The east nor the west cannot use chaos, niether side is in section 6 negotiations, therefore there is no threat of a strike.

You can only strike or use chaos after the NMB has released you and the 30 day cooling off period expires.