I.A.M VS I.B.T

[E-TRONS]

Just telling you about the end result of that merger. If I wanted to stir the pot, I would post something about a power-grab

 

[Bird Doctor]

MORE FACTS
from NMB FAQ
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/faqs-ola.html

14. Q: What is a craft or class?

A: Craft or class is a term used for the group of employees the applicant seeks to represent. Crafts or classes must be system-wide.
The IBT IAM do not have the same groups represented

19. Q: Can a union be certified by the NMB without an election?

A: Yes. If there is only one labor organization applying for representation, and the organization and the carrier agree in writing to a certification based on a check of authorization cards, the NMB can authorize the check of authorizations instead of an election. If a majority of the craft or class has signed authorizations, the organization will be certified without an election.
YEA like that is going to happen

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

Just telling you about the end result of that merger. If I wanted to stir the pot, I would post something about a power-grab

No, you mentioned the merger as an example and then asked why wouldn't the acquiring carrier's bargaining agent remain as if that's the way it works by using one end result and then you ask what all the NMB banter is all about. Well why don't you read the NMB website and you will see what the NMB has to do with the process.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

The IAM members may have been through all this before but HP/AWA/US Airways West employees, for the most part, have not. And since we have not, there is a lot of reading and researching and information seeking being done. So when someone just makes a statement and posts it as fact, that's not good enough. Proof, indisputable proof, documented facts and information is what is required. Questions are asked. Answers are given but more times than not, no proof to back up the answers.

There is a very different attitude and solidarity between east and west. East trusts no one.......not even each other. And I still am amazed that 700 is one of very few IAM members that holds the IAM in such high esteem. But there are a good number of IBT and west employees participating. Not that the west trusts everyone but we just have a more open minded attitude..........trust with extreme caution of our own and only fact based trust with those that we don't know.

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

Just telling you about the end result of that merger. If I wanted to stir the pot, I would post something about a power-grab

To quote from your post "The TRUTH is out there.......Just open your eyes!!"

MORE FACTS
from NMB FAQ
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/faqs-ola.html
14. Q: What is a craft or class?
19. Q: Can a union be certified by the NMB without an election?

You forgot these

15. Q: What factors are considered in determining the proper craft or class?

A: The Board considers several facts in determining a proper craft of class including: the composition and relative permanency of the employee grouping along craft or class lines; the functions, duties and responsibilities of the employees; the general nature of the work performed, and; the community of interest between job classifications.

20. Q: Can my job or position be added or accreted to an existing certified craft or class without an election?

A: Yes. An organization which is certified to represent the craft or class may file an application supported by a showing of authorization cards seeking to accrete jobs or positions into the craft or class. The Investigator then determines if the position(s)' duties and responsibilities share a sufficient community of interest with the craft or class. If the position(s) share a community of interest, and if the number of employees accreted are fewer than those in the total craft or class, the NMB will accrete the employees in that position in the craft or class without an election.

 

[Bird Doctor]

The IAM members may have been through all this before but HP/AWA/US Airways West employees, for the most part, have not. And since we have not, there is a lot of reading and researching and information seeking being done. So when someone just makes a statement and posts it as fact, that's not good enough. Proof, indisputable proof, documented facts and information is what is required. Questions are asked. Answers are given but more times than not, no proof to back up the answers.

There is a very different attitude and solidarity between east and west. East trusts no one.......not even each other. And I still am amazed that 700 is one of very few IAM members that holds the IAM in such high esteem. But there are a good number of IBT and west employees participating. Not that the west trusts everyone but we just have a more open minded attitude..........trust with extreme caution of our own and only fact based trust with those that we don't know.

Pinocchio View attachment 3983

I have to agree with AIRWOMAN just help us out with some facts. Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts Facts can uou show us some FactsView attachment 3983

 

[Bird Doctor]

To quote from your post "The TRUTH is out there.......Just open your eyes!!"
You forgot these

15. Q: What factors are considered in determining the proper craft or class?

A: The Board considers several facts in determining a proper craft of class including: the composition and relative permanency of the employee grouping along craft or class lines; the functions, duties and responsibilities of the employees; the general nature of the work performed, and; the community of interest between job classifications.

20. Q: Can my job or position be added or accreted to an existing certified craft or class without an election?


A: Yes. An organization which is certified to represent the craft or class may file an application supported by a showing of authorization cards seeking to accrete jobs or positions into the craft or class. The Investigator then determines if the position(s)' duties and responsibilities share a sufficient community of interest with the craft or class. If the position(s) share a community of interest, and if the number of employees accreted are fewer than those in the total craft or class, the NMB will accrete the employees in that position in the craft or class without an election.

That is why there is a link to my post to help others. not like Pinocchio he won't link anything.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

15. Q: What factors are considered in determining the proper craft or class?

A: The Board considers several facts in determining a proper craft of class including: the composition and relative permanency of the employee grouping along craft or class lines; the functions, duties and responsibilities of the employees; the general nature of the work performed, and; the community of interest between job classifications.

Thanks Charlie Tuna......this is an especially interesting one. Makes me wonder if this will be the basis to "clean up" the Mechanics & Related contract....removal of utility and stock clerks. Since HP/AWA/US Airways West doesn't have any "utility" employees and the stock clerks have their own contract, this may be the basis for their removal from the M&R contract. Just a thought.

 

[700UW]

You are confusing an election with single carrier status, they are two complete differant events.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

You are confusing an election with single carrier status, they are two complete differant events.

No, I understand that they are two different events. But the call for election doesn't have to be until AFTER the single carrier status is declared. But by waiting until the single carrier status is declared, then the time clock begins ticking which allows more time to gather cards.

 

[700UW]

An election can be asked for anytime by any union filing with 35% of authorization cards of the total workforce.

There is not a time limit on when to file for an election, only the A-cards do expire after one year.

I have lived it, have any of you?

 

[AIRWOMAN]

An election can be asked for anytime by any union filing with 35% of authorization cards of the total workforce.

There is not a time limit on when to file for an election, only the A-cards do expire after one year.

I have lived it, have any of you?

This is what I am referring to. And no, I haven't lived it. But whether or not I have, anyone else has or you have, it doesn't change the facts below.

19.6 Procedure After Finding Single Transportation System
If the NMB determines that a single transportation system exists, the investigation will proceed to address the representation of the proper craft or class. (See Manual Section 19.401.) The bar rules in NMB Rules §1206.4 (29 CFR § 1206.4) do not apply to applications filed under this section. 19.601 Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System Incumbent organizations have thirty (30) calendar days from the date of the NMB’s single transportation system determination to file an application supported by at least a thirty-five (35) percent showing of interest or to supplement the showing of interest.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

U bought psa outright, there was no merger. There was no vote. iam took over. IBT had no say so.

U bought Piedmont outright, there was no merger. There was no vote. iam took over.

U and HP merged airlines. There will be a vote. get used to that fact.

 

[smmech]

U bought psa outright, there was no merger. There was no vote. iam took over. IBT had no say so.

U bought Piedmont outright, there was no merger. There was no vote. iam took over.

U and HP merged airlines. There will be a vote. get used to that fact.

Right on!!!

He cant let the facts get in his way on this one..

US Airways was an insolvent corp. they couldnt buy a slice of cheese, thus all of 700's BS of been there/done that is just that... BS..

Welcome to our club 700 theres a first time for everything bro..

 

[700UW]

Piedmont was IAM.

PSA and Piedmont were mergers.

There was no vote at PSA because they did not meet 35% of the total workforce.

On the ramp there was a vote on the PI/US merger and the ibt was voted out as they only represented BOS, BUF, PHL and PIT, the whole system voted and bye bye went the ibt.