I.A.M VS I.B.T

[Bird Doctor]

Go read single carrier status.

Go ask your ibt reps, call the nmb.

Single carrier status eliminates the ibt and your cba from the equation.

Keep trying.

You are the one who is lying.

PinocchioView attachment 3976

NMB 19.6 doesn't say that. What you are posting more lies. There is going to be a vote

http://www.nmbfacts.com/RepManual-Index.htm
19.6 Procedure After Finding Single Transportation System
If the NMB determines that a single transportation system exists, the investigation will proceed to address the representation of the proper craft or class. (See Manual Section 19.401.) The bar rules in NMB Rules §1206.4 (29 CFR § 1206.4) do not apply to applications filed under this section. 19.601 Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System Incumbent organizations have thirty (30) calendar days from the date of the NMB’s single transportation system determination to file an application supported by at least a thirty-five (35) percent showing of interest or to supplement the showing of interest.

19.602 Status of Representation Certifications
Existing certifications remain in effect until the NMB issues a new certification or dismissal.

SEE you post links to your FACTS

 

[awausairtech]

Mr-700 you can go get a ASE license only takes a week or two or you can go to a A/P school for 2 years and get a A/P license so you can get of my Shirt Tails.. OR STAY ON THE LAV TRUCK AND PULL THE YELLOW HANDEL OR RUN GO GET PARTS. (Both you do well as I see as your mouth runs and sh## flows).

 

[AIRWOMAN]

First of all, single carrier status has NOT been declared. Second, the cards are being collected to force a vote. When and if there are enough cards to force a vote, the vote will take place and then the representing union will be declared. And please, please, please, don't spout off about members not voting and winding up as "at will employees." Members are obligated, if by nothing other than themselves, to vote. And if they don't, then the outcome will be the outcome and only because the members felt ZERO obligation to themselves and those that depend on them. But at least if it comes down to a vote, there will be options. Talk about drinking the kool-aid.....there are very, very, very few on any of these boards, that are current IAM members that are willing to back the union and the contract, as you are. And if you can factually present any number of these individuals, we would all welcome them.

One more thing......did the PSA mechanics and related vote???

Agree with Snafu's post.

Did the PSA Mechanics & Related go for a vote or not??

19.6 Procedure After Finding Single Transportation System
If the NMB determines that a single transportation system exists, the investigation will proceed to address the representation of the proper craft or class. (See Manual Section 19.401.) The bar rules in NMB Rules §1206.4 (29 CFR § 1206.4) do not apply to applications filed under this section. 19.601 Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System Incumbent organizations have thirty (30) calendar days from the date of the NMB’s single transportation system determination to file an application supported by at least a thirty-five (35) percent showing of interest or to supplement the showing of interest.

What does that mean? The bolded part above?

 

[Bird Doctor]

PinocchioView attachment 3977

Here is who can vote.
http://www.nmbfacts.com/RepManual-Index.htm
9.0 DETERMINATIONS

9.1 Craft or Class
In craft or class determinations, the NMB considers many factors, including the composition and relative permanency of employee groupings along craft or class lines; the functions, duties, and responsibilities of the employees; the general nature of their work; and the extent of community of interest existing between job classifications. Previous decisions of the NMB are also taken into account.

9.2 Eligibility
All individuals working regularly in the craft or class on and after the cut-off date are eligible to vote in an NMB representation election. Employees may not vote in more than one election at the same time.

9.201 Part-Time Employees
Only employees with a regular employee-employer relationship or scheduled work assignments are eligible to vote. The Investigator should determine: (1) whether the employee works an identifiable schedule during a specified time period;
(2) whether the employee regularly relieves other employees;
(3) what benefits the employee receives;
(4) what deductions are taken from the employee's pay and;
(5) other relevant facts.

9.202 Temporary Employees
Only employees with a present interest in the craft or class in dispute are eligible to vote. Temporary employees are eligible if they have a reasonable expectation of continued employment or re-employment in the craft or class.

9.203 Dismissed Employees
Dismissed employees are ineligible to vote unless the dismissal is being appealed through an applicable grievance procedure or an action for reinstatement has been filed before a court or a government agency of competent jurisdiction. If the grievance or court action is final, and the dismissal has been upheld prior to the count of ballots, the individual is ineligible to vote. See also NMB Rules §1206.6 (29 CFR §1206.6).

9.204 Furloughed Employees
Furloughed employees are eligible to vote in the craft or class in which they last worked if they retain an employee-employer relationship and have a reasonable expectation of returning to work. Furloughed employees regularly working in another craft or class are ineligible to vote in the craft or class from which the employees are furloughed.

9.205 Leave of Absence
Employees on authorized leaves of absence including military leave, leave for labor organization activities, or authorized sick leave are eligible. Employees receiving disability payments are eligible if they retain an employee-employer relationship and have a reasonable expectation of returning to work. Employees working in another craft or class, working for the carrier in an official capacity, or working for another carrier are ineligible.

9.206 Probationary Employees
Probationary employees in the craft or class in probationary status are eligible.

9.207 Working For Another Carrier
Employees working for another carrier other than the carrier involved in the dispute are ineligible.

9.208 Contractor's Employees
Employees of contractors which are not part of the carrier’s transportation system are ineligible.

9.209 Individuals Based in Foreign Countries
Only employees based within the United States and/or its possessions are eligible.

9.210 Retired Employees
Retired employees are ineligible.

9.211 Management Officials
Management officials are ineligible to vote. Management officials include individuals with:
(1) the authority to dismiss and/or discipline employees or to effectively recommend the same;
(2) the authority to supervise;
(3) the ability to authorize and grant overtime;
(4) the authority to transfer and/or establish assignments;
(5) the authority to create carrier policy and;
(6) the authority to commit carrier funds.

The Investigator also considers:
(1) whether the authority exercised is circumscribed by operating and policy manuals;
(2) the placement of the individual in the organizational hierarchy of the carrier; and
(3) any other relevant factors regarding the individual’s duties and responsibilities.

9.212 Preponderance
Employees who perform work in more than one craft or class may be eligible to vote if the preponderance of their work time is spent performing job functions encompassed by the craft or class during a time period specified by the Investigator. Participants asserting that employees not on the list of potential eligible voters are eligible must provide evidence that these employees preponderantly perform job functions in the craft or class. The Investigator will inform the participants in writing of the specific documentation required for consideration of whether these employees are eligible to vote. Absent unusual circumstances, a period of 30 to 90 calendar days will be used by the Investigator for a preponderance check.
Take note of .204 .207 .208

 

[smmech]

Let me explain this to you one more time.

If single carrier status is granted your contract goes away and you will be transitioned into the IAM/US CBA.

Is that too hard to understand?

The ibt will no longer be your representative.

Go call your ibt reps, they will tell you the samething.

Are you the ignorant not to check into this?

Case history that the above is not true.

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2005/32n006.pdf

 

[700UW]

there was no vote as the PSA M&R were not 35% of the class and craft. just like HP M&Rs.

Watch, wait and see what will happen.

And there is not vote as the ibt has not filed cards.

PSA ibt is a classic example what happens when single carrier status is granted.

I am citing case, you are citing no cases.

 

[Bird Doctor]

there was no vote as the PSA M&R were not 35% of the class and craft. just like HP M&Rs.

Watch, wait and see what will happen.

And there is not vote as the ibt has not filed cards.

PSA ibt is a classic example what happens when single carrier status is granted.

I am citing case, you are citing no cases.

PinocchioView attachment 3978
What case are you citting??? Show us where you are getting your View attachment 3979

 

[700UW]

How ignorant are you?

US Air and PSA merger.

I have posted it several times.

You are the liar.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

there was no vote as the PSA M&R were not 35% of the class and craft. just like HP M&Rs.

Watch, wait and see what will happen.

And there is not vote as the ibt has not filed cards.

PSA ibt is a classic example what happens when single carrier status is granted.

I am citing case, you are citing no cases.

There was no vote because 35% showed no interest? The HP M&R's ARE interested as well as currently non represented HP employees as well as current IAM represented members.

No, there is not a vote right now because single carrier status has NOT yet been declared. And then they have 30 days to file......see copy below.


19.6 Procedure After Finding Single Transportation System
If the NMB determines that a single transportation system exists, the investigation will proceed to address the representation of the proper craft or class. (See Manual Section 19.401.) The bar rules in NMB Rules §1206.4 (29 CFR § 1206.4) do not apply to applications filed under this section. 19.601 Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System Incumbent organizations have thirty (30) calendar days from the date of the NMB’s single transportation system determination to file an application supported by at least a thirty-five (35) percent showing of interest or to supplement the showing of interest.

 

[700UW]

You are confusing the single carrier status with a representational election, they are two seperate issues that have nothing to do with each other.

Single carrier status has nothing to do with a vote, if it is granted the ibt has to file cards for an election, that is why they are raiding.

The ibt can file for an election anytime, it has nothing to do with the single carrier status.

 

[Bird Doctor]

How ignorant are you?

US Air and PSA merger.

I have posted it several times.

You are the liar.

PinocchioView attachment 3980
Come on and help us ignorant cowboys out here. Show us where you are geting your info??? Because if you read the NMB it doesn't read like you say Pinocchio. So be a man and show us, everyone would like to see.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

You are confusing the single carrier status with a representational election, they are two seperate issues that have nothing to do with each other.

Single carrier status has nothing to do with a vote, if it is granted the ibt has to file cards for an election, that is why they are raiding.

The ibt can file for an election anytime, it has nothing to do with the single carrier status.

Why would the IBT file for the election BEFORE single carrier status is declared? This gives the "raiding party" more time to show the 35% that are interested.

Here's a link to some good information that was sent to me.....to further my knowledge.

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/faqs-ola.html

 

[700UW]

PSA merger with US Air, for the 10th time.

 

[E-TRONS]

Back then, PSA was bought by USAir. Now, U-S Airways was bought by AWA. So why wouldn't the acquiring carrier's bargaining agent remain as was with the PSA merger?? From where I sit, only U-S Airways' name survived....right??? So what gives with all the NMB banter??

 

[Charlie_Tuna]

Back then, PSA was bought by USAir. Now, U-S Airways was bought by AWA. So why wouldn't the acquiring carrier's bargaining agent remain as was with the PSA merger?? From where I sit, only U-S Airways' name survived....right??? So what gives with all the NMB banter??

Are you serious? You just randomly cite one case where the acquiring carrier's bargaining agent remains and you say that's how it works? Have you done any research at all? Have you read any of the info and cases on here? Are you just stirring the pot?