I.A.M VS I.B.T

[delldude]

More costly IBT makes operations? LOOKS LIKE WE WERE DOING JUST FINE WITH OUT YOU.
AND BEFORE ONE OF YOU SAY DP SAID WE WERE HEADING FOR BK TOO LOOK AT IT FROM HERE, WITH THE EAST LOOSING 500.000.00 A DAY HE MIGHT BE RIGHT AND WITHOUT YOU IT WAS ONLY A MAYBE FOR AWA.
SO DONT TWIST THE IBT INTO THE OLD USAIR AND IAM DOWN FALL.

DP went and lined up with U and now more than ever it is imperative that IBT step up to the plate as IAM did to save the airline...the POR already has been publically admitted to be in problems.
fuel soon to be into the $100 a barrel range....
the little guys go down first.
look at your own contract:
scope- open
wages- open
status-open
OT - open
vacation- open
insurance/401 - open
duration of agreement-open(will be 2009)
why is the company dragging their feet at the table?
because they are going to get your wages down to the POR level for survivability of the "new usairways".
IBT will be gone,like it or not....
DP knows the NMB status of the merger and he knows who will succeed....he knows too there will be no runoff now or after NMB declares IAM single carrier representitive.

watch for extreme counter defensive rants as IBT trys and trys to ignore the reality of the situation

 

[smmech]

DP went and lined up with U and now more than ever it is imperative that IBT step up to the plate as IAM did to save the airline...the POR already has been publically admitted to be in problems.
fuel soon to be into the $100 a barrel range....
the little guys go down first.
look at your own contract:
scope- open
wages- open
status-open
OT - open
vacation- open
insurance/401 - open
duration of agreement-open(will be 2009)
why is the company dragging their feet at the table?
because they are going to get your wages down to the POR level for survivability of the "new usairways".
IBT will be gone,like it or not....
DP knows the NMB status of the merger and he knows who will succeed....he knows too there will be no runoff now or after NMB declares IAM single carrier representitive.

watch for extreme counter defensive rants as IBT trys and trys to ignore the reality of the situation

DP allready stated that the company is ready to negotiate but just waiting to see the outcome from the NMB.. Glass and Hemenway are saying what the think will happen and DP is taking it as fact.

Cards are in... Election will come after NMB call on SCS.

The reality of the situation is that a large persentage of the IAM's members at US are fed up with the consessions, votes and revotes, being uninformed, not having a copy of the contract after it has been ratified, then getting it and wondering who voted on this?

Try and try again to ignore the facts that your members are signing cards in very large numbers.. Why??? There are more cards then there are IBT members out west?? And these are your " Uninvolved members?"... They fill out an election card I think they can handle a phone call..

Cards are in... Election will come after NMB call on SCS.
There will be no decert..

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Nothing to worry about, been on the same contract since 1949.

You cant just remove a group.

Then why can a group be added so easily???

Will you please find out how long I'm going to have to wait for the answers to my questions??

 

[Bird Doctor]

Then why can a group be added so easily???

Will you please find out how long I'm going to have to wait for the answers to my questions??

When it SNOWS in Phoenix MAYBE
I have been wating since yesterday for an answer but he has been to busy PMing the monitor about the use of the "P" word

Bird Doctor Yesterday, 07:45 AM Post #114
THE CONTRACT was done in JAN 2005 and it took you 8 month to put in your notes?? Is that what you are telling us? Yet you said you had copy of your contract before Sep. 05 HOW can that be? ARE YOU PINOCCHIOING US oh great one?
So tell us when did you vote on your contract before or after you ratified it.
When did the members get to know just what the IAM had taken away from them?

700UW Yesterday, 07:53 AM Post #115
Wrong again.
The IAM and US never reached an agreement on concessions.
On 1/6/05 Judge Mitchell abrogated the IAM/US CBA at the same time the company gave the IAM a final offer that the IAM was obligated to take out to the membership for a vote.
The membership ratified the final offer term sheet. The IAM and the company met over time to clarify and write language, that is a process that does not happen overnight.
The members knew when the term sheet was put out what exactly was being modified there was a member of the Negotiating Committee or a General Chairman at each location when the voting was taking place to answer any questions on the intent.
Seems to me you are the one who has no idea of what you are talking about

Bird Doctor Yesterday, 08:05 AM Post #116
I asked you for dates and you are generalizeing things again. If you can't answer the question as asked get help please so you can answer what I asked.

700UW Yesterday, 08:45 AM Post #117
Those of us involved have always had a copy as it was being finalized.
Glad to see all you can do is insult, guess the mods warnings to you have not worked.

Bird Doctor Yesterday, 08:51 AM Post #118
CAN"T YOU ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ASKED OF YOU??

You have to be one of the few in the know. Or you are like all the rest clueless as to what went on.

 

[700UW]

Groups are not added easily.

I gave a generic time frame.

1,100 cards is not going to force an election.

Funny thing I got another begging letter from the ibt asking me to sign a card, stop wasting your money on postage.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Groups are not added easily.

I gave a generic time frame.

1,100 cards is not going to force an election.

Funny thing I got another begging letter from the ibt asking me to sign a card, stop wasting your money on postage.

I don't see it that way.........groups are easily added by a job description/definition which has SIMILAR functions and then become acreeded. So it really is pretty easy as far as I can see..........no matter what people want or don't want.

I ask again, how long should I expect to wait for answers to my questions to the IAM that have been passed along to GC BF????

 

[700UW]

I cant answer for BF.

Also groups are not added easily, it was a long process, go read the link I posted to the NMB's accretion onto the CBA for the IAM of some of the groups, it did not happen overnight, there was a major organizing drive.

 

[delldude]

DP allready stated that the company is ready to negotiate but just waiting to see the outcome from the NMB.. Glass and Hemenway are saying what the think will happen and DP is taking it as fact. its all based on what is known as precedence, deal with it



The reality of the situation is that a large persentage of the IAM's members at US are fed up with the consessions, votes and revotes, being uninformed, not having a copy of the contract after it has been ratified, then getting it and wondering who voted on this? try your spin but a small minority at U actually sent in cards,we now know you run a BS for votes campaign that has fooled few.not too many wish to take a chance at an unknown/unproven quantity.some IBT fan posted info here about your poor performance at CHQ and IAM members were quick to see through your BS for votes campaign,give it up

Try and try again to ignore the facts that your members are signing cards in very large numbers.. we now know you're blowing smoke....you have a benedict arnold in your midst Why??? There are more cards then there are IBT members out west?? 850 is what percent of 7000? And these are your " Uninvolved members?"...

Cards are in... BS...BS... Election(decertification) will come after NMB call on SCS.
There will be no decert..
funny,IBT forced a runoff at piedmont/allegheny after they merged.....now stock clerks don't have a union or CBA do they??what happened there?? can't happen here?
NO MORE UNION,NO MORE CBA- ALL BECAUSE OF IBT MEDDLING!

SIGN DE CARDS 'DERE,WE NEEDS DE MONEY HONEY

 

[AIRWOMAN]

I cant answer for BF.

Also groups are not added easily, it was a long process, go read the link I posted to the NMB's accretion onto the CBA for the IAM of some of the groups, it did not happen overnight, there was a major organizing drive.

I'm not asking you to answer for BF.....just asking if you can give me a general time frame or has it all gone into a circular file.........because I am NOT a member?

But if things go the way you predict, it sure won't be a long process this time. And it doesn't appear to me, that the acreetion process is very lengthy.

 

[Bird Doctor]

Groups are not added easily.
I gave a generic time frame.
1,100 cards is not going to force an election.
Funny thing I got another begging letter from the ibt asking me to sign a card, stop wasting your money on postage.

Tell us just how mamy Maintenance & Related there are right now working system wide? Because I dont beleave there are as mamy as us say. Your numbers are inflated. 7000 is IF the NMB lets you count everyone that has been furloughed. That is not going to happen you know that and so do I, (ref.NMB 9.0)

 

[awausairtech]

Groups are not added easily.

I gave a generic time frame.

1,100 cards is not going to force an election.

Funny thing I got another begging letter from the ibt asking me to sign a card, stop wasting your money on postage.

1,100 well that was weeks and weeks ago.
MORE AND MORE EACH DAY.

WHILE I AM ON THE CARD PUSH FOR ALL YOU IAM MEMBERS READING THIS,
WE AT THE IBT ONLY HOLD ONE VOTE NOT LIKE THE IAM WHO RE-VOTE THINGS TILL THEY GET IT THE WAY THEY WANT IT.

SO GET YOUR CARDS IN NOW SO THE IBT CAN WORK FOR YOU AND NOT YOU WORKING FOR THE IAM!!

 

[awausairtech]

DP went and lined up with U and now more than ever it is imperative that IBT step up to the plate as IAM did to save the airline...the POR already has been publically admitted to be in problems.
fuel soon to be into the $100 a barrel range....
the little guys go down first.
look at your own contract:
scope- open
wages- open
status-open
OT - open
vacation- open
insurance/401 - open
duration of agreement-open(will be 2009)
why is the company dragging their feet at the table?
because they are going to get your wages down to the POR level for survivability of the "new usairways".
IBT will be gone,like it or not....
DP knows the NMB status of the merger and he knows who will succeed....he knows too there will be no runoff now or after NMB declares IAM single carrier representitive.

watch for extreme counter defensive rants as IBT trys and trys to ignore the reality of the situation

Scope, wages, status, OT, vacation, insurance, 401K and duration of agreement are open on the new contract. The company is dragging their feet at the table for only one reason IF THEY CAN GET YOUR IAM CONTRACT AND HOLD THE AIRCRAFT MECHANICS PAY DOWN HE WINS AND SAVES MONEY.

OK MATH 101
THE USAIR EAST AMT ALL HAVE OVER 10YRS SO DP KNOWS HE IS NOT GOING TO GET A 20 YEAR TOP OUT AND HE KNOWS IF HE PUTS A CONTRACT ON THE TABLE THAT THE TEAMSTERS WILL TAKE, THE IAM UNION MEMBERS WILL JUMP OVER TO THE IBT AND HE WILL NOT GET A CHANCE TO HOLD ALL OF US AT THIS BS PAY SCALE AND THAT IS THAT. WHATS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND. :huh:

As for survivability of the "new usairwaysâ€￾, IF OIL GOES into the $100 a barrel range. YOU CAN KISS ALL OF US BYE! BYE!
TO ME THIS JUST LOOKS LIKE AN IAM SCARE TACTIC JUST LIKE THE DECERTIFICATION BS.

DP knows the NMB status of the merger. MORE IAM BS (HE ONLY CAN HOPE THE NMB RULES HIS WAY AND WITH THE IAM.) THE NMB FAT LADY IS NOT SINGING JUST YET.

There will be no runoff now or after NMB declares IAM single carrier Representative.
WE WILL SEE WHAT THE FAT LADY HAS TO SAY ABOUT THAT TOO.
I CAN SEE WHY THE IAM IS TRYING TO RUSH THE NMB TO RULE ON THE SINGLE CARRIER. THE CARD COUNT MORE AND MORE EACH DAY.

WITH THE NEW SCOPE IN THE NEW IBT CONTRACT AND ALL THE BENEFITS IT GIVES THE UNION MEMBERS BACK HOPE FOR BETTER DAYS IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

In addition, to see just what you have and what we offer go too.
http://www.teamsterslocal104.org/Files/usa..._comparison.pdf

 

[AIRWOMAN]

DP went and lined up with U and now more than ever it is imperative that IBT step up to the plate as IAM did to save the airline...the POR already has been publically admitted to be in problems.
fuel soon to be into the $100 a barrel range....
the little guys go down first.
look at your own contract:
scope- open
wages- open
status-open
OT - open
vacation- open
insurance/401 - open
duration of agreement-open(will be 2009)
why is the company dragging their feet at the table?
because they are going to get your wages down to the POR level for survivability of the "new usairways".
IBT will be gone,like it or not....
DP knows the NMB status of the merger and he knows who will succeed....he knows too there will be no runoff now or after NMB declares IAM single carrier representitive.

watch for extreme counter defensive rants as IBT trys and trys to ignore the reality of the situation

But 700 keeps saying that America West was at the bottom already.......the ATSB couldn't even impose any cuts on America West because there was nothing to take. That's not totally true........they didn't take but AWA was restricted on giving so........not really a take away but a definite kabosh on giving. So why do you think that the IBT already isn't at or near the level of survivability?? :unsure:

And DP has said, time and time again, that the 2 contracts will cost the company pretty much the same when it comes down to dollars AND he's open to negotiations regarding that. It's going to be a shell game with the money. Maybe if the contracts, in regards to craft and classification , are cleaned up, sorted out, realigned, whatever you care to call it.....then there may be more money under the M&R shell. :unsure:

The current vacation, sick time and holiday pay is far superior on the west side. And me personally, I'll give up a nickle an hour to keep my vacation, sick time and holiday pay. Just to ensure the survivability of the NEW US AIRWAYS, of course.

 

[EricLv2Fish]

The current vacation, sick time and holiday pay is far superior on the west side. And me personally, I'll give up a nickle an hour to keep my vacation, sick time and holiday pay. Just to ensure the survivability of the NEW US AIRWAYS, of course.

Agree with you totally AIRWOMAN! Just got my third week this year. Would suck to have to give it back. I'd give a couple of bucks an hour to keep what I've earned in vacation and sick time.

 

[awausairtech]

Agree with you totally AIRWOMAN! Just got my third week this year. Would suck to have to give it back. I'd give a couple of bucks an hour to keep what I've earned in vacation and sick time.

Watch what you wish for you might get both, Cut in pay and vacation,sick and more with the IAM.