I.A.M VS I.B.T

[320tech]

You are not in the 7,000, how do you even know if your cards will mean anything?

If the nmb puts them in the class and craft that is covered by your contract they have as much of a right to vote. I'm sure the iam is telling you they are like the women back in the old days that cant vote. also mr 7 tell your boys at the iam to stop sending me lies in the mail please. I couldn't stop laughing when I saw how the ibt has raised my dues because they are broke. to bad after 7 years with them they still havn't raised our dues once something we know the iam can't say. I can't wait for the next round of lies as you and dell say the iam must be starting to feel the presure!

 

[Paul]

.... PAUL O PAUL PLZ DONT LET THEM CALL ME NAMES :blink:

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I do not have an issue if you are attacking the message. I do however have an issue if you continually attack the messenger. That behavior does nothing to add to the topic at hand, and turns your message into inane babble.

The same goes for repeated posts. I think most of the viewers here got the message the first 5 times, and there is no need to copy/paste the same thing into 5 different topics. That is why I merged those conversations together.

Feel free to debate away, just leave out the personal attacks.

 

[delldude]

GO GET YOU SOME

hello? hello?? hello??? LMFAO

he can not comprehend....LOL LMFAHOTF!!!!!

think you got your head in a can dude....??
IBT way?

 

[delldude]

WHO THE HE!! let the Professional IAM BS ARTIST's to run loose (yes you 7 )and this, Half the truth, Misleading the facts, Twisting the words to post this BS here. THE IBT LOVES YOU DELL AND MR-700 MORE AND MORE VOTES EVERY DAY..


WELL HOW GOOD TO SAY HELLO TO A NEW UNION MEMBER.. HOW DID YOU TWO SAY IT.ME FOR ME. As a Teamster we say welcome to the union.............ask what you want we have it, UPFRONT

WELL HOW GOOD TO SAY HELLO TO A NEW UNION MEMBER.. HOW DID YOU TWO SAY IT.ME FOR ME. As a Teamster we say welcome to the union.............ask what you want we have it,

if you smacks are so friggin friendly..why are eric loves to fish and airwoman out there beggin for union support and information from the IAM....since from what it appears they aren't even under the IBT umbrella??
my oh my...you guys weren't aware you have left some of they sheep out of the fold??? duh...double duh....
curious,why hasn't IBT seen the situation here?? here you have a couple of non represented groups from AWA IBT left overs begging IAM for information,yet you stooges haven't been able to pull them into IBT class and craft?? so now tell me ,who's union has failed to support its members and future members???why is airwoman e-mailing IAM for representation and no one from IBT is offering her help??and you have the unmitigated audacity to infer IAM is screwed up?
you should first take care of your own in house before chastising others..you have publically admitted now that you have failed miserably as far as representing your own non union counter parts.why is it up to IAM to provide representation when you have not to this point?
daily airwoman and others on this forum beg for representation information from and chastise IAM for not informing them...but i ask ,where has IBT been to this point and why suddenly is it IAM's burden??

at this point in time,IAM expects a non-timely denial from IBT after they recieve direction from local 104 on how to respond.please note that the topic here has and was whats the IAM going to do for me....when actualy it should be:whats IBT done for me??

 

[delldude]

Copied from the IAM website that was so kindly supplied on this board.
Contact Information



You may contact the District 142 offices at the following locations:

Main Office
Air Transport District 142
400 N.E. 32nd Ave
Kansas City, MO 64116

Phone: 816-452-6646
Fax: 816-455-4793

email: [email protected]

No, the non represented members that may be/will be acreeded into the union, those numbers don't count right now. They haven't even been reported to the NMB....yet. But they will be at some point in time.
What about all this being acreeded into the union stuff??????????? That's what we are talking about. Why does one side openly discuss and the other doesn't??

I AM curious as to why its IAM's fault here for not providing representation information??
haven't you been denied IBT support up this point?why hasn't IBT filed or supported an organizing campaign to pull you and eric into the fold?
why has IBT tried to pass this failure off as an IAM fault??
so tell me who's at fault here???

 

[awausairtech]

I do not have an issue if you are attacking the message. I do however have an issue if you continually attack the messenger. That behavior does nothing to add to the topic at hand, and turns your message into inane babble.

The same goes for repeated posts. I think most of the viewers here got the message the first 5 times, and there is no need to copy/paste the same thing into 5 different topics. That is why I merged those conversations together.

Feel free to debate away, just leave out the personal attacks.

ok Paul just wanted to see if you were reading all this BS LOL HAVE A NICE NIGHT.
sorry for the long posts but the info in the posts are long and if we don't put it all in the pro's will cut it up and mislead and twist and so on..

 

[delldude]

ok Paul just wanted to see if you were reading all this BS LOL HAVE A NICE NIGHT.
sorry for the long posts but the info in the posts are long and if we don't put it all in the pro's will cut it up and mislead and twist and so on..

you are wrong and not following the rules of posting....
besides...why hasn't airwoman and eric had represetation with IBT before the merger??
sounds kinda bogus to me that its suddenly an IAM issue.

for IBT members only

 

[awausairtech]

DELL AND Mr-700 I WILL BE BACK. LOL, GOT OTHER THINGS TO DO TONIGHT THAN SPANK YOUR BUTTS.

 

[delldude]

DELL AND Mr-700 I WILL BE BACK. LOL, GOT OTHER THINGS TO DO TO NIGHT THAN SPANK YOUR BUTTS.

duck and cover....lol

IBT members

 

[Dog Wonder]

GOT OTHER THINGS TO DO TONIGHT THAN SPANK YOUR BUTTS.

Spanking is only permitted if both parties consent.

 

[delldude]

Spanking is only permitted if both parties consent.

should have known....no lively debate until teamsters 104 opens tomorrow morning....

 

[smmech]

should have known....no lively debate until teamsters 104 opens tomorrow morning....

I'll debate...

Locals closed, so what I have a mind..

Eric and Airwoman never orginized to be represented, and the IBT never went after them like the IAM did (on the east side).. Is that your point. That the IAM forced unionism upon people that did not ask for it and its members did not request? To easy.. All you have done is prove the IAM only cares about dues..

The fact that you and 700 are so confident that there will be no vote and we will be IAM does open the issue of why no information?

Dont want to spend resorces on a what if scenerio?? Thought it was a done deal Dell ... Shouldnt the IAM respond to questions from employees that they will represent?

All references to will, what if, there will be no vote, and that we will be IAM, are only opinions of the few IAM supporters ( represented by two on this forum) left in commercial aviation.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

To summarize the events.
I was in a union twice previously. The first departure from a union was a job change, new company. The second departure from a union was a job change, same company. So I am familiar with union issues.
When this merger was announced, all the talk was of some of the currently non union positions being acreeded into a union. That's what got the whole sh*t going. We would NOT have a choice as to whether or not we would be acreeded. It would fall on the NMB ruling.
Those of us at HP that are currently non union, chose to be that way. There was never any drive to become union. Overall, we were very happy being non represented. And in my opinion, that feeling still stands. I will say for myself only, I would rather not be in a union and I have made that known.
But as it stands, we do NOT have a choice. The only choice we may have, is which union will be the representing union.
The IBT did NOT try to bring us non represented employees into their fold as union members prior to the merger. The employees never requested that they or any union represented us and the IBT never recruited us. Those work groups that did request representation, got it. Everyone was satisfied with the way things were and that was that.
Now things have changed. The IBT has been very open about sharing information regarding union issues with the non represented employees who seek that information. My quest for information from the IAM has not been acknowledged except on this board......and how official is the board as a source of information?? :unsure:
So.....when the IBT was asked for information, that information was provided. When the IAM was asked for information, I got nothing except what was posted on this board.....and the majority that was PRO IAM, was 700 and DellDude. And that's ALL I have asked for..........general membership information.
I have NOT seeked out union representation from either union........information only, please, so that I can make the best choice, with the most information, for me.
I too believe, even more so with 700's and DellDude's responses, that the IAM believes that they have it and there is NO chance for a change in representation. And my feeling is that the IAM thinks they have the representation of the new US Airways employees and don't feel the need to waste assets and time on me or any other currently non represented member or a union member that is NOT IAM. Granted, we are not a large number of employees BUT each and every one of us are a part of this company and we deserve to be treated as such.........especially by those that plan to acreed us into their fold.
Everybody has their gripes with their union and their contract. Everybody has the right and the obligation, if to no one but themselves, to be informed and make their own decision.....not to have something forced upon them.
I would someone with the knowledge and the factual information regarding the acreetion of QA and MOC into the union a few years back. Is it the same circumstances that we are facing right now?? Were they acreeded by a request for representation? Were they acreeded without the request? What's the factual and true story behind that.

So........that's my story and my quest for information.

 

[delldude]

The fact that you and 700 are so confident that there will be no vote and we will be IAM does open the issue of why no information?

Dont want to spend resorces on a what if scenerio?? Thought it was a done deal Dell ... Shouldnt the IAM respond to questions from employees that they will represent?

all in due time....

who gives a rats arse anyhow.....we already know you don''t have the cards and won't have the cards come time for the ruling.so we're all peeing in the wind.

 

[700UW]

The IAM did not force unionism upon the unrepresented.

There was an organzing drive started after those classifications approached the IAM for representation.

Afer an in-house organizing committee was set up a card campaign was started. For those of you who do not know what this means is that the unrepresented groups members volunteered to get cards signed so an election can take place. There was also Mechanics, Stock Clerks, Utility and Fleet Service Members assisting in the campaign.

Then the IAM filed the cards with the NMB for an election.

After talking with the NMB and lawyers the IAM filed for an accretion which was granted.

From the boards decision:

On February 8, 2000, the IAM filed an application with the Board requesting elections for US Airways' Planners, Crew Schedulers, and Administrative Representatives.

In the alternative, the IAM sought to represent the Office Clerical craft or class. Because there was a question regarding craft or class, the Board assigned the matter File No. CR-6679.

On May 16, 2000, the IAM amended its position, contending that Planners "belong in the Mechanics and Related craft or class as the Board held in Allegheny Airlines, Inc., 6 NMB 359 (1977)."

On June 18, 2000, the Investigator in CR-6679 ruled that Planners were part of the Mechanics and Related craft or class. The Board dismissed CR-6679 based upon the IAM's withdrawal of its application.(2) US Airways, Inc., 27 NMB 565 (2000). The Board did not apply its bar rule contained in 29 CFR § 1206.4(B). Id. at 567.

Here are some links to the NMB determinations on the cases.

Maintence Control Techs (MOC) Decision

Planners and Techincal Specialists Decision from the NMB

Once again don't let the facts get in your way.

All the information is out there, you just have to seek it. The IAM will not waste resources until it knows what the NMB decision is, it would be wasting time on doing this on "what if(s)".

Once a decision is made and if it is in favor of the IAM you will be properly educated, trained and provided with everything you need.