I.A.M VS I.B.T

[delldude]

All references to will, what if, there will be no vote, and that we will be IAM, are only opinions of the few IAM supporters ( represented by two on this forum) left in commercial aviation.

you are right about the two on this forum...maybe a total of what,some 25 on these boards?
25 out of some 6200 at U....
go ahead force a decertification vote......its dead at U...
you guys may get more than you bargained for...
like i said...it really doesn't matter anyway....you don't have the cards now and won't have the cards at the time of the ruling.
good luck on your new careers ex IBT

 

[AIRWOMAN]

The IAM did not force unionism upon the unrepresented.
Question: why did those groups request representation? And based on what I believe your answer will be, it's a different situation here. Those that may be acreeded have not and did not seek representation....this may be forced upon us due to the merger.
There was an organzing drive started after those classifications approached the IAM for representation.

Afer an in-house organizing committee was set up a card campaign was started. For those of you who do not know what this means is that the unrepresented groups members volunteered to get cards signed so an election can take place. There was also Mechanics, Stock Clerks, Utility and Fleet Service Members assisting in the campaign.

Then the IAM filed the cards with the NMB for an election.

After talking with the NMB and lawyers the IAM filed for an accretion which was granted.
Question: Why did the company not want those groups to be represented??
From the boards decision:
Here are some links to the NMB determinations on the cases.

Maintence Control Techs (MOC) Decision

Planners and Techincal Specialists Decision from the NMB

Once again don't let the facts get in your way.
IF and when ALL the facts are out there....that will be the day. Because of the lack of factual information from certain parties, one can do nothing but make assumptions.
All the information is out there, you just have to seek it. The IAM will not waste resources until it knows what the NMB decision is, it would be wasting time on doing this on "what if(s)".
That's EXACTLY what is being done. But you're contradicting yourself by telling us that the information is out there and then on the other hand, IAM will not WASTE their resources. Which is it????? Again....a response to an e-mail is a waste of time?? We'll see what happens with the other e-mail address you gave me.
Once a decision is made and if it is in favor of the IAM you will be properly educated, trained and provided with everything you need.

 

[700UW]

I know your for a fact the e-mail has been read and sent on to the appropriate people.

The groups asked for representation so they would have a say in their work rules, pay and benefits and not be changed on a daily basis.

As far as representation, that is the cards you are dealt with as far as the merger.

And believe me any HP employee dealing with Labor Relations will tell you it is far better to be under a contract then be an employee at will.

US CSA and FSA thought that too till the company decimated them.

It took four union votes and the company knew they could do what they seem fit until they organized.

The company never wants to deal with a union as it creates rules for them to follow and they cannot do whatever they seem fit to do or change that day.

Go ask Parker and the rest of the executives why they have Contracts with US Airways.

Like I said the IAM will provide all necessary information if and when the NMB rules in favor of the Single Carrier Status as the resources are not tied up on wasteful time if you are not accredited.

And they held meeting(s) in PHX why did you not attend and ask what information you wanted?

 

[AIRWOMAN]

I know your for a fact the e-mail has been read and sent on to the appropriate people.
Great. I'm glad. That's all I am asking for.
The groups asked for representation so they would have a say in their work rules, pay and benefits and not be changed on a daily basis.
I totally understand that....that's why there is a union in certain areas.
As far as representation, that is the cards you are dealt with as far as the merger.
I totally understand that. And that's why the questions are being asked. I want a say, as much as I will be allowed. Just like everyone else.
And believe me any HP employee dealing with Labor Relations will tell you it is far better to be under a contract then be an employee at will.
That a fact?? No, it's not.
US CSA and FSA thought that too till the company decimated them.

It took four union votes and the company knew they could do what they seem fit until they organized.

The company never wants to deal with a union as it creates rules for them to follow and they cannot do whatever they seem fit to do or change that day.

Go ask Parker and the rest of the executives why they have Contracts with US Airways.
I know full well why there are contracts. Remember?? I've been on BOTH sides. And because of that, I also know why some groups DON'T have contracts/representation.
Like I said the IAM will provide all necessary information if and when the NMB rules in favor of the Single Carrier Status as the resources are not tied up on wasteful time if you are not accredited.

And they held meeting(s) in PHX why did you not attend and ask what information you wanted?
I was not able to attend personally. But I did get the info from those that did and it wasn't much. I'm sure AWA Contract will expand on the IAM meeting. And I haven't seen nor heard of the IAM being back since.

 

[delldude]

AW- you know on the IAM int'l website is a boatload of info on who they are,why they are,what they are...also other sites too have loads of info.

IAM OFFICIAL SITE

feel free to browse away.

 

[320tech]

you have failed miserably as far as representing your own non union counter parts

well dell dude maybe you should ask those people why they are not in a union. in most cases these people are classified as managment at AWA. as an example our maint controllers make more money at awa then yours at us airways and I know this because one of our controllers use to be a controller there.

 

[delldude]

you have failed miserably as far as representing your own non union counter parts

well dell dude maybe you should ask those people why they are not in a union. in most cases these people are classified as managment at AWA. as an example our maint controllers make more money at awa then yours at us airways and I know this because one of our controllers use to be a controller there.

and so it was the same at U until they decided to unionize.....and they are under their first contract,any wage gains to higher levels,IF the company survives and IF they ever return to profitability would be forthcoming.
oh please don't remind me of my constant failures....oh whoa is me.....

 

[awausairtech]

You have failed miserably as far as representing your own UNION MEMBERS.. :mf_boff:

 

[delldude]

You have failed miserably as far as representing your own UNION MEMBERS.. :mf_boff:

oh please spare me wise one......
ask IBT

 

[awausairtech]

DON'T HAVE TOO!!! JUST READ THE IAM CONTRACT AND ALL THE BENEFITS YOU EAST GUYS HAVE.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Question.........how long have the stock clerks and utility been under the IAM Mechanics and Related contract? A little history lesson would be appreciated.

 

[700UW]

Since 1949.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Since 1949.

Interesting.......I am be wrong but from what I understand, this contract is the only one with stock clerk and utility with mechanics and related.

 

[700UW]

NWA has Mechanic and Utility (Cleaners) well had.

UAL also has Mechanic and Utility.

US was the first airline to organize the stock clerks.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

NWA has Mechanic and Utility (Cleaners) well had.

UAL also has Mechanic and Utility.

US was the first airline to organize the stock clerks.

Maybe one of the HP Stock Clerks can tell me why they didn't fall under the Mechanic and Related contract at America West.