I.A.M VS I.B.T

[awausairtech]

I hope someone proof reads the logbook before you sign it off.
QUOTE(700UW @ Jan 8 2006

WELL MR-700 I HAVE A A/P LIC. AND SIGN OFF LOGBOOKS. WHAT DO YOU HAVE? NEVER MIND YOU RIDE ON THE AMT'S LIC. TO GET THE HIGHER PAY AND THATS WHY YOU WANT THE IAM CONTRACT.
SO GET OFF THE AMT'S SHIRT TAILS AND GO GET A LIC. OF YOUR OWN.

AND DELL LET ME GET THIS RIGHT..The IAM is going to bend me over and do what...I VOTE NO!!!!AND if you do a PEN AND INK CHANGE for more votes I STILL SAY NO!!!NO!
YOU MIGHT LIKE THAT BY THE IAM BUT I WILL STAY WITH THE IBT SO I HAVE A VOTE.
(more and more cards every day)

 

[700UW]

Hey awa,

Why do you avoid everything when you are shown to be wrong about an issue.

How about the right to work (for less) laws you were touting before?

 

[awausairtech]

Hey awa,

Why do you avoid everything when you are shown to be wrong about an issue.

How about the right to work (for less) laws you were touting before?

IN what I see Iam RIGHT BY PICKING THE IBT. AND YOUR ARE WRONG. The IAM is on its way out and good by to it.
I GOT TO GO BACK TO THE GAME.
I WILL BE BACK..
OK more for you.
§ 613.250. Agreements prohibiting employment because of nonmembership in labor organization prohibited.
No person shall be denied the opportunity to obtain or retain employment because of nonmembership in a labor organization, or shall the state, or any subdivision thereof or any corporation, individual or association of any kind enter into any agreement, written or oral, which excludes any person from employment or continuation of employment because of nonmembership in a labor organization. (Adopted at General Election 1952.)
§ 613.260. Certain contracts declared illegal and void.
Any act or any provision in any agreement which is in violation of NRS 613.230 to 613.300, inclusive, shall be illegal and void. Any strike or picketing to force or induce any employer to make an agreement in writing or orally in violation of NRS 613.230 to 613.300, inclusive, shall be for an illegal purpose. (Adopted at General Election 1952.)
§ 613.270. Compelling person to join a labor organization or to strike against his will or to leave his employment prohibited.
It shall be unlawful for any employee, labor organization, or officer, agent or member thereof to compel or attempt to compel any person to join any labor organization or to strike against his will or to leave his employment by any threatened or actual interference with his person, immediate family or property. (Adopted at General Election 1952.)
§ 613.280. Conspiracy.
Any combination or conspiracy by two or more persons to cause the discharge of any person or to cause him to be denied employment because he is not a member of a labor organization, by inducing or attempting to induce any other person to refuse to work with such person, shall be illegal. (Adopted at General Election 1952.)
§ 613.290. Liability for damages.
Any person who violates any provision of NRS 613.230 to 613.300, inclusive, or who enters into any agreement containing a provision declared illegal by NRS 613.230 to 613.300, inclusive, or who shall bring about the discharge or the denial of employment of any person because of nonmembership in a labor organization shall be liable to the person injured as a result of such act or provision and may be sued therefore, and in any such action any labor organization, subdivision or local thereof shall be held to be bound by the acts of its duly authorized agents acting within the scope of their authority and may sue or be sued in its common name. (Adopted at General Election 1952.)
THIS IS FROM NEVADA RIGHT TO WORK.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

700.........questions for you since you know this contract inside and out.

Article 2. Scope of Agreement. Paragraph A.Please answer how Lead Ground Communication Technician, Ground Communication Technician and Lead Inspector were removed from the contract.
Paragraph B. About the company reserving the right to continue to return to the manufacturer or authorized agent, parts and subassemblies..........from negotiations in February 1964........sounds like an out for outsourcing. But then WHY the big auctions in PIT and CLT a few months ago???

You were wrong........look at Article 12. Sick Leave, Premiums and Bonuses. Paragraph B. You do NOT get paid 100% of your sick time if you are hospitalized.......ONLY if you are hospitalized for 5 or more days during any occurence.

Again, your contract has LESS holidays........4 less than IBT. Vacation time bites..........again, LESS than IBT. Your medical and dental coverage is way MORE expensive than ours and no, it's not the IBT's, it's the companies.

Article 19. Union Shop & Dues Check-Off Agreement. How much are dues?? Why aren't they listed? I understand they are being raised. Is it a percentage of your pay??

And the last one for now. Article 3. Status of Agreement. Paragraph E. Where is the Parity Pay?? And more than once, this paragraph references that this contract is binding....as it may be ammended pursuant to the provisions of applicable law. Sounds like it's ammendable as long as the applicable law is followed. And no, I don't know which law that is.

 

[700UW]

The jobs were removed as the contract was abrogated and a final offer ratified by the membership.

Every union contract has that language it is for warranty items and work that was never covered under the CBA, the ibt has the same language.

The auction was for shop equipment when the company outsourced the back shop work.

Dues are set by the local lodge and there are five differant methods, each local lodge sets their method per their bylaws.

For example in CLT it is two times the hourly weighted wage per classification, mechanics pay one rate, stock clerk one rate and utility one rate as they are each differant classifications and earn differant wages.

Pay Parity was eliminated in the first round of concessions, but the language is still in the contract.

The law is the Railway labor act, which covers section 6 negotiations which happens 30 - 60 days prior to the amendable date.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

The jobs were removed as the contract was abrogated and a final offer ratified by the membership.

Changes can happen.

Every union contract has that language it is for warranty items and work that was never covered under the CBA, the ibt has the same language.

But the back shop work was recently outsourced. The equipment WAS there but now it's NOT. Hmmmm....sounds just like Bill Franke's outsourcing fiasco.

The auction was for shop equipment when the company outsourced the back shop work.

Is it coming back??

Dues are set by the local lodge and there are five differant methods, each local lodge sets their method per their bylaws.

For example in CLT it is two times the hourly weighted wage per classification, mechanics pay one rate, stock clerk one rate and utility one rate as they are each differant classifications and earn differant wages.

So the dues can be changed by the local lodge whenever they want?

Pay Parity was eliminated in the first round of concessions, but the language is still in the contract.

Why is the language still in the contract?? Looks like there should be some addition to the contract stating that.

The law is the Railway labor act, which covers section 6 negotiations which happens 30 - 60 days prior to the amendable date.

I'll have to look into that.

 

[700UW]

Dues are calculated once per year.

The method is in the IAM Constitution and each local lodge votes on its bylaws once per year, dues are not changed whenever they want to but only once per year.

Most locals use two times the wieghted hourly wage per classification per contract and most locals get a lower dues rate for employees making $12 or less per hour.

There is talk of some back shop working come back in-house, nothing firm yet though.

 

[delldude]

IN what I see Iam RIGHT BY PICKING THE IBT. AND YOUR ARE WRONG. The IAM is on its way out and good by to it.
I GOT TO GO BACK TO THE GAME.
I WILL BE BACK..

dude...you've posted so many half truths and misconceptions that it ain't funny anymore.....
time after time either 700 or myself has provided information which is to the point and without bias,however it is in accordance with info your union has actually posted on the teamsters 104 website and has proven you and a few of your other IBT stooges as quite full of baloney.
this has given us,the true professionals at IAM an edge over your spurious misinformed rantings.i hope you have an ill informed IBT day.

 

[awausairtech]

Professional IAM BS ARTIST IS ALL WE SEE.

When you look at the contracts from both sides there is only one way to go and that is IBT and that is the full truth.
As I have said my vote is FOR THE IBT NOW and not for a contract that holds us down till 2009.

We also see that there are a lot of IAM MEMBERS that can see the IBT will be best for them.
More and more cards every day..

 

[700UW]

How many times do you have to be told your ibt CBA will be going bye bye?

Even your own ibt web page says the samething.

Do you have comprehension problems?

 

[insp89]

How many times do you have to be told your ibt CBA will be going bye bye?

Even your own ibt web page says the samething.

Do you have comprehension problems?

700, How does the transition agreement fit into all of this ?

The way I understand it, the existing IAM POS agreement will be the starting point for the whole new airline.

So, in a way, Both CBA's will be going bye, bye.[within certain guidelines].

 

[700UW]

It works the same as the three previous mergers, the HP AMTs will be transitioned to the IAM/CBA and there will be negotiations between the company and the union to sure up the difference between the two contracts and hopefully improve the IAM CBA.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

It works the same as the three previous mergers, the HP AMTs will be transitioned to the IAM/CBA and there will be negotiations between the company and the union to sure up the difference between the two contracts and hopefully improve the IAM CBA.

HOPEFULLY???? Yikes.......I for one sure HOPE that's so. From what I've read between the 2 contracts, there are some good in both........HOPEFULLY the transition talks will encompass the GOOD in both and NOT just implement the IAM CBA. Although that would probably be the best and easiest for the company overall. And yes, I know, the old US has taken some pretty heavy hits over the past few years. But again, it appears to me, that this entire "deal" has been in the works for more time than anyone is admitting to. 😉

 

[Bird Doctor]

QUOTE(700UW @ Jan 9 2006, 07:27 AM)

Go read the RLA and the NMB policies.

When AMFA beat the IAM at NWA and UAL, the IAM/CBA remained in effect until the amendable date.

When AMFA beat the ibt at WN, the ibt CBA remained in effect until the amendable date.

When the PFAA beat the ibt at NWA the ibt CBA remained in effect until the amendable date.

Dont let the law and facts get in your way.



Pinocchio
READ THIS

19.6 Procedure After Finding Single Transportation System
If the NMB determines that a single transportation system exists, the investigation will proceed to address the representation of the proper craft or class. (See Manual Section 19.401.) The bar rules in NMB Rules §1206.4 (29 CFR § 1206.4) do not apply to applications filed under this section. 19.601 Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System Incumbent organizations have thirty (30) calendar days from the date of the NMB’s single transportation system determination to file an application supported by at least a thirty-five (35) percent showing of interest or to supplement the showing of interest.

19.602 Status of Representation Certifications
Existing certifications remain in effect until the NMB issues a new certification or dismissal.

I called and talked to one of the Principal Official for the NMB this morning and I was told that which ever union wins the vote for representation is the union whos contract will takes precedents. Pinocchio lies again

Maybe you should call and talk to them. Here is there link http://www.nmb.gov/directory/deptmenu.html to help you get to the TRUTH because someone is filling you with the wrong info. You should read IBT ART 3 and your IAM ART 3 pgh E of the contracts. Who acquierd who?

What you post might of been what happened in the past, and wishfull thinking but not TRUE if a vote is called, and it will.

SO beleave what you want and rant all you want. Tell your IAM lies.
I got the TRUTH from the NMB

 

[700UW]

It is no lie, I have provided clear cut precedent cases.

You are the one who is posting lies, even the ibt says on the 104 web page the IAM CBA is the surviving document.

You called? That is the funniest thing I have ever heard, so now the ibt is lying too?

Keep trying.

By the way, Barbell which aquired US and HP is a subsidary of US Airways Group Inc.

From the 104 Web page

If there is no election and the Machinists Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement.

If there is an election and the Machinists is certified as your representative, you will still work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement

If there is an election and the Teamsters Union is certified as your representative, you will work under the bankruptcy-bargained Machinists agreement only until such time as the Teamsters Union concludes bargaining a new agreement that seeks to improve on both the Machinists and Teamsters agreements. (this part has all ready been proven wrong about a whole new contract).