I.A.M VS I.B.T

[Bird Doctor]

you are very wrong there......do you remember the contract votes during our bankruptcies?if what you say is true,why then did we vote each time?they are/were contract modifications.
letters of agreement are used to clarify verbages and understandings.
maybe they agree that in tempe they will both agree to different start times than in the contract or days off or things of that nature....than say charlotte or pit.
annything else requires membership vote.

And just tell us how you got the 7000+M&R to vote on that? There are changes all the up to 9/7/05 8 month after you voted. did you vote on them.

 

[700UW]

Only active members vote on the contract.

Which at the time was 4,400+.

There were not changes, the language was clarified and intent made known.

Guess you are reading that ibt special copy.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

All letters of agreement are part of the CBA and they are in it for every member to read.

Airwoman,

That would be subject to the transition negotiations in regard to your pay scale question.

Understood.......but what does it take currently, to move from one step to another?? Is it on a time scale?

 

[700UW]

Yes,

One year increments.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Yes,

One year increments.

Yuk!! :down:

The step raises are about half of our current raises have been....as a non represented employee. Even under the worst circumstances, post 9/11, we got raises about double what the step raises are.

Yes, AWA has ALWAYS been a low paid group. But no one made us stay. And that has helped us survive. And has brought us where we are today.......merged and a new airline. And that is the train of thought that will continue when it comes to costs with the new airline. It was rather convenient that the old US Airways pay scales were reduced (by various means and measures) to fall right in line with the AWA scales. So with that being done over the past few years, the merger was right on track and easy for the courts and creditors to buy off on. Remember, the merger talks were started a number of years ago and then put aside.......then AWA's talks with ATA and those were scrapped........then the talks with US Airways were restarted.........right about the time of the latest contracts. So...........it was all calculated then and I'm sure is all calculated as of this very second. And no one will know which "plan" will be pulled from the file until the time is right.

 

[Bird Doctor]

Yuk!! :down:

The step raises are about half of our current raises have been....as a non represented employee. Even under the worst circumstances, post 9/11, we got raises about double what the step raises are.

Yes, AWA has ALWAYS been a low paid group. But no one made us stay. And that has helped us survive. And has brought us where we are today.......merged and a new airline. And that is the train of thought that will continue when it comes to costs with the new airline. It was rather convenient that the old US Airways pay scales were reduced (by various means and measures) to fall right in line with the AWA scales. So with that being done over the past few years, the merger was right on track and easy for the courts and creditors to buy off on. Remember, the merger talks were started a number of years ago and then put aside.......then AWA's talks with ATA and those were scrapped........then the talks with US Airways were restarted.........right about the time of the latest contracts. So...........it was all calculated then and I'm sure is all calculated as of this very second. And no one will know which "plan" will be pulled from the file until the time is right.

But get View attachment 4003 that should make you HAPPY

 

[AIRWOMAN]

But get View attachment 4003 that should make you HAPPY

Actually, Listerine is my choice.

But seriously, there are some rather significant differences between the contracts and between the contracts and currently non represented employees.

Do your homework. Be informed. Ask for information for ALL sides. Then make your choice.

 

[awausairtech]

Mr-700 you can go get a ASE license only takes a week or two or you can go to a A/P school for 2 years and get a A/P license so you can get off my Shirt Tails.. OR STAY ON THE LAV TRUCK AND PULL THE YELLOW HANDEL OR RUN GO GET PARTS. (Both you do well as I see as your mouth runs and sh## flows).

 

[awausairtech]

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[AIRWOMAN]

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That's pretty much my plight.

Loss or freeze of pay, loss of vacation time, loss of sick time.......if the IAM contract is forced upon me.

Excercise your rights...........VOTE.........for a better future.

 

[700UW]

You dont know that.

There will be transition negotiations so none of you lose anything.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

How many mergers have you been through?

I have been through three and never lost anything.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

You dont know that.

There will be transition negotiations so none of you lose anything.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

How many mergers have you been through?

I have been through three and never lost anything.

And you can't honestly say that you know that either. And I don't know any more than you do, what will transpire with the transition negotiations. I'm looking at the most likely/worst case scenario.

But you keep telling us......the IAM and the IAM M&R contract will prevail. And if it does as you predict, then yes, we will lose. We get 3 weeks of vacation after 5 years, we have 9 paid holidays, I have compared my current pay rate to the IAM contract pay rate and my pay will be reduced because of the step pay rates - which I already told you are less than HALF of my pay increases as they have been the past 4 years. PLUS, when I am obligated to pay union dues (and yes, I am aware that this will happen to some degree or another, with either union), my take home pay will decrease. The health care coverage on the east side is more expensive than ours on the west side so with an increase in premiums and out of pocket costs, again, my take home pay will decrease. Those are the FACTS as I have plucked them from the IAM contract and from statements made on these boards.

I have never been through a merger. That's no secret. And I really don't see what that has to do with the facts.

I'm glad you haven't lost anything but based on the facts, I and others in my same or similar situation, stand to lose.

 

[700UW]

In past mergers your when someone had a higher payrate then the step they were either frozen at that rate till they caught up or placed a the rate equal or higher too and then progresed normally, no one had their pay cut nor lost vacation.

You do not know if you will lose anything, like I said, through the previous mergers no one lost pay nor vacation nor sick time. That is why you have transition negotiations so no one will be harmed.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

In past mergers your when someone had a higher payrate then the step they were either frozen at that rate till they caught up or placed a the rate equal or higher too and then progresed normally, no one had their pay cut nor lost vacation.

You do not know if you will lose anything, like I said, through the previous mergers no one lost pay nor vacation nor sick time. That is why you have transition negotiations so no one will be harmed.

Understood.....but the way I see it, if my pay is frozen for any length of time while I caught up, then I lose pay. And the progression of the steps and the increases in those steps is less than half of my yearly increases. So again, I would lose pay.....in comparison to my current situation. And again, when a union is taking dues from my pay, I lose pay.

I wonder if a transition agreement would be in effect until 2009 when the IAM contract is finally open for negotiations?? Heck, if that's true.........don't acreed us into the union unless we specifically ask to.

 

[700UW]

You don't have a choice on the accretion, if your job functions are covered under the US/East IAM CBA you will be under the contract.

Engineers and anyone in engineering are not under the CBA.