Huge pay raise for Delta/NW pilots..ONLY

[Kev3188]

At WN:

Customer service/operations agents= IAM

Ramp service/provisioning agents= TWU

Flight attendants=TWU

Dispatchers= TWU

Mechanics & related=AMFA

Pilots= Independent (SWAPA?)




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If you're interested, you can check out the WN ramp service cba at www.twu555.org

 

[T5towbar]

Thanks for the clarification on that. I didn't know that SW had all of those groups.

Anyway, I just received another letter from the IAM today, and they wanted to confirm that I signed my card.
They sent cards a while back from the last drive (which TWU was the choice before they lost earlier this year.), and wanted to make sure that guys signed their cards for another representation drive. I'm hoping enough guys will sign cards. It looks good here in the hub, and in BOS; LGA; JFK; PHL; DCA - (the "Market" cities) but I'm not really sure about the outstations and in Houston. My fear is that it will be voted down...again, because of lack of interest; a lot of new people who don't realize what we had lost; and the fact that Uncle Larry is gonna throw more money at us (Fleet Service) (but not anywhere near the amount what we lost though......that's not a raise or not what we lost.) I'm not sure of the date when the IAM will petition the NMB for a election.

We're trying, but I don't know. I hope your situation at the new Delta will be successful, because you already have the union and infrastructure already (NW), and may or may not have the numbers to win. All I'm saying is that if one group isn't organized and one is, DL may try to skew the numbers with DGL and RR employees to bolster their numbers.
And with the propaganda being put out there, guys won't vote unless a labor friendly bill is in place - if it can pass Congress

And for all those people who dismiss the union and the things they do, remember this.....
In the last 10 or so years (before and after BK) all airline employees took major paycuts; gave concesssions; and lost benefits and pensions. All we are asking is we get back some or more of what we lost, that's all. Just be fair. We gave a lot so our airlines we work for can succeed. It's not our fault that there is mismanagement and incompetence among the CEO's. The pilots are getting theirs (they seem to be the only workgroup who are making out and got some sort of "snapbacks")......why can't the other workgroups cant at least get some of what we lost back.

Let's see how it plays out.

 

[Kev3188]

a lot of new people who don't realize what we had lost; and the fact that Uncle Larry is gonna throw more money at us (Fleet Service) (but not anywhere near the amount what we lost though......that's not a raise or not what we lost.) I'm not sure of the date when the IAM will petition the NMB for a election.

A lot of people forget that these things aren't raises, but rather small steps toward restoration since you're still behind where you were at...

DL may try to skew the numbers with DGL and RR employees to bolster their numbers.
And with the propaganda being put out there, guys won't vote unless a labor friendly bill is in place - if it can pass Congress

You can best believe DL will try and skew the list. I expect to see retirees, people that were fired, folks that went into management, dead people, etc. to all make an appearance.

And for all those people who dismiss the union and the things they do, remember this.....
In the last 10 or so years (before and after BK) all airline employees took major paycuts; gave concesssions; and lost benefits and pensions. All we are asking is we get back some or more of what we lost, that's all. Just be fair. We gave a lot so our airlines we work for can succeed. It's not our fault that there is mismanagement and incompetence among the CEO's. The pilots are getting theirs (they seem to be the only workgroup who are making out and got some sort of "snapbacks")......why can't the other workgroups cant at least get some of what we lost back.

Well put.

Management is often quick to forget the value we all bring every day.

As for giving a lot for our airlines to succeed? Well, I can think of 181M ways my group (IAM at NW) did...

 

[dapoes]

Answer me this,

If a union is whats needed to guarantee pay increases as like the NW pilots. Why has the NW FA, represented by AFA not getting a pay increase? A bit odd i must say... :blink:

Oh yeah, DAL FA's are inline to get their pay increase at the beginning of the year as promised. Confirmed by Richards latest conference call

Richard Anderson said we’ll be hearing shortly about pay increases coming in 2009. Richard made the announcement as he welcomed new listeners to his weekly Right from Richard message.

“We’re still working out final details, but there will be a pay increase for all nonpilot work groups at Delta beginning Jan. 1. So stay tuned,†Richard said. “For those of you who have just joined the Delta family, if you are already covered by a collective bargaining agreement, we are not allowed to apply our pay policies until representation issues are resolved. So in the mean time you will continue to have the pay provided for in those agreements.â€

But he noted this week’s stock awards that went to all employees of the combined airline. “We can do things like that outside of the collective bargaining agreements, from stock to Shared Rewards payouts, and you’ll continue to see us do that.â€

 

[Kev3188]

Answer me this,

If a union is whats needed to guarantee pay increases as like the NW pilots. Why has the NW FA, represented by AFA not getting a pay increase? A bit odd i must say... :blink:

Oh yeah, DAL FA's are inline to get their pay increase at the beginning of the year as promised. Confirmed by Richards latest conference call

Can't speak for the AFA, but the IAM membership at NW is getting one on January 1st as well.

I wonder why Anderson leaves those details out?

 

[T5towbar]

........I'll bet nowhere NEAR what was lost, huh?

Hey Kev, we are being told us the same thing too. We should be getting a pay increase early in 2009 also.
No one knows the percentages though. It's a start, but as I keep saying, nowhere near what we lost.
Just get us back to the levels we lost during those years, and then we can talk. And don't forget the other benefits we lost too......

It's kinda funny......why all the pay increases now? It seems like both of our airlines want to be "generous" all of a sudden.

JUST GET US BACK TO WHERE WE ONCE WERE!!!! The we can talk about "raises"!

 

[Kev3188]

........I'll bet nowhere NEAR what was lost, huh?

Correct. With this step increase, our base rate will be 9% below what it was pre-BK.

Hey Kev, we are being told us the same thing too. We should be getting a pay increase early in 2009 also.
No one knows the percentages though.

I'd like to know why they never mention them... I'm sure the money men have penciled it all out. How hard would it be for Anderson or Kellner to say "everyone is getting a pay increase of XXX%"?

It's a start, but as I keep saying, nowhere near what we lost.
Just get us back to the levels we lost during those years, and then we can talk. And don't forget the other benefits we lost too......

Exactly. There's more to a pay package than just the base rate. I say it on here a lot, but to me, it all starts with scope; without it, nothing else matters.

It's kinda funny......why all the pay increases now? It seems like both of our airlines want to be "generous" all of a sudden.

JUST GET US BACK TO WHERE WE ONCE WERE!!!! The we can talk about "raises"!

Tough to say what their motives are, though I doubt they're altruistic.


Anderson's statement announcing their increase was specifically worded as a way to divide the work groups. If you read between the lines it's basically saying "Gosh, NW'ers, if it wasn't for the fact that you're unionized, you could get a raise too." Of course, what he leaves out is that A) for both groups it's merely restoration, and B) We at NW are getting one. Only difference is we know what the percentage is.

 

[North by Northwest]

He fails to mention...there IS NOTHING in any of the contracts preventing them offering a pay raise.

This is the beginning of the "keep them helpless and non union" fight.

Now, I can almost guarantee that the pay raise will NOT be anywhere near the pay increase of the NW pilots.

Nor did the contract of the NW pilots "PREVENT" ANDERSON, Inc. from giving them some of their BK money back in a "raise".

(help us out here Dopes..are you on duty yet?)

 

[southwind]

They have a LONG way to go before restoring $6 Billion in pay cuts! Nice of New Delta to give $22 million of it to Doug Steenland than bank $3.7 Billion.

One can't really get a raise when one is OWED their own money. This whole set up was nothing but a SCAM...and they got away with it because this current government is more crooked than the worst thief out there.

The great thing that the old Delta pilots did was not allow them to steal as much as the NW pilots did.

1st of all, Steeland was getting his $22 million whether we merged or not ! So don't go blaming "YOUR" new ailine !

2nd.........I'm getting pay raise/restoration as of JAN. 1st of '09..........without the aid of a union !

3rd..........Kev, understand you might be taking a pay-cut................maybe you were "OVERPAID" to begin with !

From what I've recentely heard, "ALL" Delta employess will be at "INDUSTRY-STANDARD" wages by 6/09!................But I'm sure that still won't be good enough for the whiners ! :down:

 

[Kev3188]

2nd.........I'm getting pay raise/restoration as of JAN. 1st of '09..........without the aid of a union !

Good for you (really). What percentage is the increase? Also, where can I look at these percentage increases?

3rd..........Kev, understand you might be taking a pay-cut................maybe you were "OVERPAID" to begin with !

Why would I take a pay cut? According to Anderson, the plan is to "bring us up" to DL rates. Surely he wouldn't attempt to deceive!

Seriously, make no mistake; if I am to adopt DL's rates/benefits, it will be a big pay cut. Period. Full stop.

Overpaid? Not by a long shot. This just proves how little you know about what I do all day, and the value my coworkers and I bring to the table.

From what I've recentely heard, "ALL" Delta employess will be at "INDUSTRY-STANDARD" wages by 6/09!................But I'm sure that still won't be good enough for the whiners ! :down:

Why June '09? I thought you guys were supposed to get a raise earlier this year? Why didn't they implement that when they said they would? Oh that's right; it's because they weren't required to...

Aren;t you one of the ones that keeps saying NW'ers like myself should trust these guys at their word? This is one of many examples of where they haven't followed through; maybe you can explain we shouldn't be cynical.

Just for fun, try to do so using while leaving emotion out of it. I'll be doubly impressed if you can do it without either mentioning A) Socialism or B) Russia.

As for "industry standard," could you point me to a source that says what that is? I've looked everywhere and can't find it.

We're now the biggest airline in the world; we should be setting the standard, not playing catch up to it.

 

[Dignity]

understand you might be taking a pay-cut................maybe you were "OVERPAID" to begin with !

O.M.G.

 

[Kev3188]

O.M.G.

OMG is right; Southwind's lack of knowledge is only outpaced by her inability to answer a question coherently.

Pay her no mind.

 

[T5towbar]

...............But I'm sure that still won't be good enough for the whiners ! :down:

We're not "whining"......
We would like to know how much increases (dollars) in percentages and if there is any other stuff with the increases, that's all.
Why is trying to get back SOME of what we've lost an issue here?

How much have you lost before BK?
Hell, I know I've lost (I personally took a more than 10% pay cut), along with other non monetary benefits and things like personal days; 401K match - dollar for dollar; shift differential; attendance points adjustments; double time and a half pay working on a Holiday doing overtime; health benefit credits; - you get the picture.

Is that too much to ask? That's not outrageous. All of work hard out there to provide a service to the customer, and have made sacrifices. What other industry has take a hit more than us? I'm quite sure that if the automakers get money from the gov't; I'm quite sure our Airline leaders will be at Congress door trying to get their share (which they should.)

I'm just speaking my mind here because a whole lot of people feel the same way. Whether it's Union or Non-Union, most people in our industry want some justice and respect here.

 

[southwind]

Kev,
For what it is worth if you are paid by weekly at 80 hrs a check it comes out to 2080 hours a year.
Paid by monthly at DL at 173.32 hours a month comes out to 2079.84 paid hours a year.

With no time clocks at DL I highly doubt the company is "getting over" on the employees as far pay on this issue.

Go union and you'll see plenty of time clocks at DL !

 

[Dignity]

you'll see plenty of time clocks at DL !

personal accountability will more than likely be implemented(in all departments, especially when the groups are merged), even though this is an opinion, I predict more NW styled micromanagement blended with the "culture" going forward...