Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

News flash: Parker saw value in US Airways and the company's decided to merge.

Parker saw value in the combined company, not US Airways as a stand alone.

Thank God we didn't have to find out the hard way if the doors were going to close.

 

[Pi brat]

The day it's stock was canceled and LCC stockholders became the owners of a new airline.

So the same holds for America West then, right? You guys went out of business too. We all started over then. Makes the Nic even more illogical. Thank you.

 

[Pi brat]

Parker saw value in the combined company, not US Airways as a stand alone.

Thank God we didn't have to find out the hard way if the doors were going to close.

Agreed. That doesn't change a thing I said, does it?

 

[Pi brat]

OK, so I just read pages and pages of the same old arguments. It ultimately goes to the jury and the jury instructions look like this, because these were jury instructions from DFR 1.

"A union breaches or violates its duty of fair representation when, in the course of​

negotiating a collective bargaining agreement, the union's conduct toward a member of the bargaining unit it represents is discriminatory or in bad faith. In this case, the union violated its duty if it adopted and submitted its seniority proposal for a reason or reasons that are not legitimate union objectives.​

A union has a duty to represent the employees in the bargaining unit fairly and​

impartially. This duty includes the requirement that the union's actions must be taken in good faith and with an honest purpose.""​

Duh​

What if USAPA goes into the SLI process with two lists?

 

[nic4us]

So the same holds for America West then, right? You guys went out of business too. We all started over then. Makes the Nic even more illogical. Thank you.

True, and I never disputed that, and other than the AWHC stockholders became the single largest percentage holder by far of LCC, you would think that the only legitimate way to combine pilot seniority would be through the use of ALPa merger policy, because we were both ALPA.

Makes Nic even more logical.

Further, the biggest point in all of this is not what Nic ruled but that he ruled. End of story. I do not happen to agree with portions of the Nic, the east blatanly hates the whole thing. Too bad, he ruled, it is fair enough, and your points in particular are just as full of crap as any other posters, whether I agree with them or not, and for the most part that is NOT.

 

[nic4us]

What if USAPA goes into the SLI process with two lists?

DFR suit, if we have not progressed the current suit far enough.

Ever heard the term " final and binding"?

 

[Pi brat]

True, and I never disputed that, and other than the AWHC stockholders became the single largest percentage holder by far of LCC, you would think that the only legitimate way to combine pilot seniority would be through the use of ALPa merger policy, because we were both ALPA.

Makes Nic even more logical.

Further, the biggest point in all of this is not what Nic ruled but that he ruled. End of story. I do not happen to agree with portions of the Nic, the east blatanly hates the whole thing. Too bad, he ruled, it is fair enough, and your points in particular are just as full of crap as any other posters, whether I agree with them or not, and for the most part that is NOT.

Although it turned out that it wasn't the end of the story, was it?

It's okay if you don't like my points, but they make more sense than yours and I don't resort to using the wrong definition of a word for westies like you do for us.

 

[Metroyet]

What if USAPA goes into the SLI process with two lists?

What's the LUP for doing it? It won't go unnoticed that your two list plan advances every single East pilot to the sole disadvantage to every single West pilot. Don't worry, you'll get to explain the logic and fairness of your mystery LUP to a Judge in good time. Do you like your odds? I sure do.

 

[Pi brat]

What's the LUP for doing it? It won't go unnoticed that your two list plan advances every single East pilot to the sole disadvantage to every single West pilot. Don't worry, you'll get to explain the logic and fairness of your mystery LUP to a Judge in good time. Do you like your odds? I sure do.

I thought you didn't work for US.

Considering the vague LUP, I wouldn't hang my hat on it. It's the solution to a stalemate. It follows the language in the MOU approved by west pilots and should end the legal battles. Great LUP!

Hey, BTW, didn't you say the other day that the MOU was a trap for USAPA and they stepped into it? Sure doesn't seem to be what your new DJ says. Oh, sorry, the west pilots DJ.

 

[cactusboy53]

LGA and BOS flying is not gone. We operate the same number of BOS PHL, BOS CLT, the shuttle etc. what is gone is the crew base. We did give up the Caribbean out of BOS except for some Saturday MBJ And PUJ. But that was added after the merger

but LAS was dismantled. we used to do 4RT tomLAS out of BOS. That was your flying and that is what is really gone.. Dip xxxx

I was speaking about crew base closures....dipxxxx. SYIC.

 

[Portly Dorman]

Jamie-

You should 'school' 'capt' Crimi....he didn't feel the need for a seniority list at Freedom, but James Ray didn't need one either...

The point? Why have a seniority list? We don't need one anymore.

New hire pilots HAVE what it takes to be "Captain" so why even value time. Like you said, we can have "charity hires" who can do the same job.

Who hires the pilot....the company or the union?

 

[Pi brat]

This would make me nervous about hanging my hat on "Legitimate Union Purpose":

http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/09/22/the-afl-cio-defends-union-violence-as-a-legitimate-union-activity-will-the-dept-of-labor-do-it-too/

 

[Metroyet]

I thought you didn't work for US.

Considering the vague LUP, I wouldn't hang my hat on it. It's the solution to a stalemate. It follows the language in the MOU approved by west pilots and should end the legal battles. Great LUP!

Hey, BTW, didn't you say the other day that the MOU was a trap for USAPA and they stepped into it? Sure doesn't seem to be what your new DJ says. Oh, sorry, the west pilots DJ.

Yep, nothing new. I don't work for US Air. Don't care if you believe me, not important anyway. Wake clearly addressed your "stalemate" issue calling it "self hostage taking". The LUP isn't vague at all. Is USAPA's actions Arbitrary? Discrimintory? or in Bad Faith? That's the question that is going to be answered...you may recall a Jury coming to a lightning fast unanimous conclusion regarding that once before. Yes, the MOU was a trap set by the company to force ripeness and force a resolution all the while being "the good guy". After the 9th ruled, the Company filed a DJ just to force ripeness. Didn't work. They appealed to Silver to Reconsider. She declined. They were once again forced into acting. This time they have a ratified agreement. Well done Yes voters....including the UNANIMOUS support of the CLT reps. Way to look out for your consituents!!

The MOU plainly states that it is a JCBA for US Airways pilots and merely an MOU for APA. Why? What is the point of that? To be working for the same wages and workrules...does that make it ripe enough? Is there any question in anybody's mind what USAPAs intentions are with the pending seniority integration? I believe Hummer just spelled it out last week did he not?
Oh, BTW, nothing in the MOU will change regarding THE PROCESS everybody agreed to. Just to fix the starting point at the Nic. See, I know this is hard to believe, but US Airways and America West actually merged years ago. That loose end is going to get tied up before anybody moves forward with the APA. Who, BTW, just the other day clearly indicated that they have no inclination to inherit this problem. Smart move. There's only one legal option for the APA, USAPA, The Company and everyone else. You know what that is.

You should be jumping for joy at the prospect of going to court. After all, you guys are so suprmemly confident and AOL has never had merit of any kind. Finally, this is your chance to explain that LUP, get your DOH staple job, a huge increase in pay, and rule the universe with an Iron fist....or just get your asses handed to you again. Either way. The fact that no one at USAPA is at all pleased with the latest lawsuits really speaks volumes.

 

[Claxon]

Yep, nothing new. I don't work for US Air. Don't care if you believe me, not important anyway. Wake clearly addressed your "stalemate" issue calling it "self hostage taking". The LUP isn't vague at all. Is USAPA's actions Arbitrary? Discrimintory? or in Bad Faith? That's the question that is going to be answered...you may recall a Jury coming to a lightning fast unanimous conclusion regarding that once before. Yes, the MOU was a trap set by the company to force ripeness and force a resolution all the while being "the good guy". After the 9th ruled, the Company filed a DJ just to force ripeness. Didn't work. They appealed to Silver to Reconsider. She declined. They were once again forced into acting. This time they have a ratified agreement. Well done Yes voters....including the UNANIMOUS support of the CLT reps. Way to look out for your consituents!!

The MOU plainly states that it is a JCBA for US Airways pilots and merely an MOU for APA. Why? What is the point of that? To be working for the same wages and workrules...does that make it ripe enough? Is there any question in anybody's mind what USAPAs intentions are with the pending seniority integration? I believe Hummer just spelled it out last week did he not?
Oh, BTW, nothing in the MOU will change regarding THE PROCESS everybody agreed to. Just to fix the starting point at the Nic. See, I know this is hard to believe, but US Airways and America West actually merged years ago. That loose end is going to get tied up before anybody moves forward with the APA. Who, BTW, just the other day clearly indicated that they have no inclination to inherit this problem. Smart move. There's only one legal option for the APA, USAPA, The Company and everyone else. You know what that is.

You should be jumping for joy at the prospect of going to court. After all, you guys are so suprmemly confident and AOL has never had merit of any kind. Finally, this is your chance to explain that LUP, get your DOH staple job, a huge increase in pay, and rule the universe with an Iron fist....or just get your asses handed to you again. Either way. The fact that no one at USAPA is at all pleased with the latest lawsuits really speaks volumes.

Where does the MOU state it is a JCBA? You are totally cracked. Remember, Jesus doesn't like liars. Confess. Show us where it states that.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Jamie-

You should 'school' 'capt' Crimi....he didn't feel the need for a seniority list at Freedom, but James Ray didn't need one either...

Obviously you don't either.