Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Claxon]

Metroyet and Cactusboy53 currently unavailable. Being fitted with Johns-Manville brand asbestos pants.......

 

[Pi brat]

Yep, nothing new. I don't work for US Air. Don't care if you believe me, not important anyway. Wake clearly addressed your "stalemate" issue calling it "self hostage taking". The LUP isn't vague at all. Is USAPA's actions Arbitrary? Discrimintory? or in Bad Faith? That's the question that is going to be answered...you may recall a Jury coming to a lightning fast unanimous conclusion regarding that once before. Yes, the MOU was a trap set by the company to force ripeness and force a resolution all the while being "the good guy". After the 9th ruled, the Company filed a DJ just to force ripeness. Didn't work. They appealed to Silver to Reconsider. She declined. They were once again forced into acting. This time they have a ratified agreement. Well done Yes voters....including the UNANIMOUS support of the CLT reps. Way to look out for your consituents!!

The MOU plainly states that it is a JCBA for US Airways pilots and merely an MOU for APA. Why? What is the point of that? To be working for the same wages and workrules...does that make it ripe enough? Is there any question in anybody's mind what USAPAs intentions are with the pending seniority integration? I believe Hummer just spelled it out last week did he not?
Oh, BTW, nothing in the MOU will change regarding THE PROCESS everybody agreed to. Just to fix the starting point at the Nic. See, I know this is hard to believe, but US Airways and America West actually merged years ago. That loose end is going to get tied up before anybody moves forward with the APA. Who, BTW, just the other day clearly indicated that they have no inclination to inherit this problem. Smart move. There's only one legal option for the APA, USAPA, The Company and everyone else. You know what that is.

You should be jumping for joy at the prospect of going to court. After all, you guys are so suprmemly confident and AOL has never had merit of any kind. Finally, this is your chance to explain that LUP, get your DOH staple job, a huge increase in pay, and rule the universe with an Iron fist....or just get your asses handed to you again. Either way. The fact that no one at USAPA is at all pleased with the latest lawsuits really speaks volumes.

Nobody works for US Air anymore.

You have it all figured out, even though you don't work here. We'll see, maybe you will have it nailed. I've copied your post so we can review later. I'll admit you were right if you turn out to be.

 

[cleardirect]

You still don't understand the concept of ripeness... No one yet knows what the majority will support so deciding now what direction you will paddle is hypothetical and premature, but lawyers need to eat too so knock yourself out!

Here is your problem. The majority does not get to decide what seniority will be.

Not a difficult concept. At least for most people.

 

[cleardirect]

Closing, but glad to see you take Parker's word. Remember when he told the west F/O that was so mad and about to cry that absent this merger that as a 3 year F/O he was sure he would be out of a job?

Did US Airways ever close it's doors?

BTW, I think I saw Mr. "We hate you guys!" in CLT the other day. I thought about asking for an autograph, but figured he might pop a blood vessel.

I was responding to an east poster that said Parker told him the west was going to do such and so. Now you point to Parker saying such and so.

What is it? Do you take Parker at his word or just the stuff you believe?

When Parker said that the east without the merger would have closed the doors do you believe him?

 

[Phoenix]

Here is your problem. The majority does not get to decide what seniority will be.

Not a difficult concept. At least for most people.

Here is your problem. A majority gets to decide its representation and no court has been willing to deny that.

 

[cleardirect]

How about it clear. Do west pilots and your attorney have any responsibility when it comes to the MOU and the vote?

Judge: "Mr Harper, did you have a chance to review the MOU before your clients voted for it?"

Marty: "Yes your Honor."

Judge: "So, you as an attorney should have know then that the language may be problematic for your clients. Did you then recommend that they should vote "Yes" on the MOU?"

Marty: "Yes your Honor, but we had to make it ripe, my money train was slipping away!"

Judge: "Really?"

Actually a federal judge believed the case was ripe also. Another federal judge also believed the case was but reversed herself.

Read the filing in AZ. Get back to me about what we filed? It is ripe.

 

[cleardirect]

Not to worry, I'm plenty "use to the right seat" and with the new pay raise, my PBGC and Military checks, I think I will be OK! So will you, what with time being on your side.

I'll mark you down in the greedy dirtball category and we will both just go our "separate" ways, at least for the next 24-30 months, after which it won't matter to me one wit.


seajay

How do you know how much time I have on my side?

 

[Phoenix]

Where does the MOU state it is a JCBA? You are totally cracked. Remember, Jesus doesn't like liars. Confess. Show us where it states that.

Right next to section 25 scheduling. Ya know the part that has us all on PBS now and the part that governed the last system bid that finally lets UHaul live within walking distance of his favorite chicken kitchen.

 

[EastUS1]

When Parker said that the east without the merger would have closed the doors do you believe him?

I'd agree that US's odds weren't at all great then. I'd also posit that AWA's long terms odds weren't anything to be at all comfortable with. Why should anyone care now? I can only imagine such perverse "logic" being applied in more trying circumstances: "That (whatever) just missed me!, but it sure might have hit!....Aww nuts!...I'd better spend the rest of my life pretending that I'm dead!"

 

[cleardirect]

What if USAPA goes into the SLI process with two lists?

Usapa and eventually the APA gets sued.

Are you not paying attention?

 

[cleardirect]

I thought you didn't work for US.

Considering the vague LUP, I wouldn't hang my hat on it. It's the solution to a stalemate. It follows the language in the MOU approved by west pilots and should end the legal battles. Great LUP!

Hey, BTW, didn't you say the other day that the MOU was a trap for USAPA and they stepped into it? Sure doesn't seem to be what your new DJ says. Oh, sorry, the west pilots DJ.

The solution to the stalemate is for east pilots to accept your agreement and use the Nicolau.

 

[EastUS1]

The solution to the stalemate ....

What "stalemate"? Events are in motion that will end all this, one way or another. Enjoy life in the meanwhile. Go outside and play once in awhile.

 

[cleardirect]

Here is your problem. A majority gets to decide its representation and no court has been willing to deny that.

Two entirely different things.

Representation.

Seniority integration.

Learn the difference.

The majority does not get to decide seniority integration.

 

[Metroyet]

Where does the MOU state it is a JCBA? You are totally cracked. Remember, Jesus doesn't like liars. Confess. Show us where it states that.

It's staring you straight in the face Moron. How about you read the very title of your new agreement, "Memorandum of Understanding Regarding Contingent Collective Bargaining Agreement" Just below that it names USAPA as the sole bargaining agent this agreement is applicable to regarding the PIlots of US Airways....no East....no West...just USTUPID. The references of a JCBA in the rest of the agreement are between USTUPID and APA....no East.....no West....by default, and every letter of the RLA, USAPA is one entity....no East...no West....Just USTUPID.

Now, imagine standing in front of a Judge and explaining that in fact this entire agreement is flawed because it failed to address the fact that you were under the impression that USAPA was actually two groups of pilots...independent of eachother but with the one single "union" and the single carrier status from years ago. See, this is where the company was steering this thing. Just because it's a "Contingent" CBA doesn't mean it isn't Joint as it applys to East and West. I'm still wondering who the 24 West idiots were that voted against this...guess they didn't get the message from AOL. Probably because they're the 24 that haven't donated. Oh well.

 

[traderjake]

A majority gets to decide its representation and no court has been willing to deny that.

Good bye USAPA.