Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Walmartgreeter]

How about it clear. Do west pilots and your attorney have any responsibility when it comes to the MOU and the vote?

Judge: "Mr Harper, did you have a chance to review the MOU before your clients voted for it?"

Marty: "Yes your Honor."

Judge: "So, you as an attorney should have know then that the language may be problematic for your clients. Did you then recommend that they should vote "Yes" on the MOU?"

Marty: "Yes your Honor, but we had to make it ripe, my money train was slipping away!"

Judge: "Really?"

This was no different than Addington I. Harper knew darn well it was not ripe, but his support (read moneys from the angry West Class) was paramount. He had to do something fast. It is the West Class that seems to complain most about legal fees and the loss of pay raises. But remember, Marty continues to get paid A scale wages while his clients tilt at windmills.

Look soon for the dead canary. The West Class will ask for some sort of negotiation, new arbitration, or direct settlement on our seniority list. It’s all they really have left.

East pilots worked for a very successful airline that had been around for over 60 years when 911 happened. Yet somehow they are supposed to lie in the gutter as younger pilots, hired by a smaller regional airline step over them due to the “personal failure” of their careers? I wonder how AWA would have fared had Las Vegas closed for a month back in 2001?

Greeter

 

[traderjake]

You are a stock trader so what do you think AWA's prospects were?

Their immediate propects, at the time of the merger, were better than ours.

I know you want to base the SLI on some other period in time, but that's not how it works.

 

[Pi brat]

Their immediate propects, at the time of the merger, were better than ours.

I know you want to base the SLI on some other period in time, but that's not how it works.

Really? Pull up the ALPA merger policy and get back to me.

Many of Nicolau's premises were based on other time periods.

 

[Pi brat]

Clear? How about answering my questions this time instead of running off like usual.

 

[traderjake]

Really? Pull up the ALPA merger policy and get back to me.

Yes really, career expectations at the time of the merger, not 5 years before or after.

 

[Zone5]

Let's see. The claim of the east MEC was a max of 2 years not 2-3 and only for certain east pilots not all.

So that means that at best after a 30 years career stand alone you could hope to be a captain for less then 2 years. Very poor career choice. The west should not have to make up for your decisions.

You also need to understand that stand alone, you were ever going to make captain because us airway was closing the doors.

Finally, we are going into another merger. Your career expectation are changing again. If you were not goi g to make captain using the Nicolau do you think you will if APA has anything to say about it? You are not getting DOH with the APA. You will not get DOH with the west.

The best you could have dreamed after 30 years was NB for a few months. But instead you want a west pilot to never upgrade, delay our upgrade by 10 years so you can get something you were never going to get stand alone.

Nicolau saw that. Did not let that happen.

The east reputation proceeds you. If you thought the west was tough wait until the APA comes at you. They know they can't trust you to deal fairly or live up to your word. They know you east pilots want to take what is not yours.

Get used to the right seat. That is your retirement position.

Not to worry, I'm plenty "use to the right seat" and with the new pay raise, my PBGC and Military checks, I think I will be OK! So will you, what with time being on your side.

I'll mark you down in the greedy dirtball category and we will both just go our "separate" ways, at least for the next 24-30 months, after which it won't matter to me one wit.


seajay

 

[Pi brat]

Yes really, career expectations at the time of the merger, not 5 years before or after.

When did the west career expectations include flying an A330 from PHL?

The merger representatives shall carefully weigh all the
equities inherent in their merger situation. In joint
session, the merger representatives should attempt to
match equities to various methods of integration until a fair
and equitable agreement is reached, keeping in mind the
following goals, in no particular order:
a. Preserve jobs.
b. Avoid windfalls to either group at the expense of the
other.
c. Maintain or improve pre-merger pay and standard of
living.
d. Maintain or improve pre-merger pilot status.
e. Minimize detrimental changes to career expectations.



Did US Airways ever shut it's doors?

 

[traderjake]

Did US Airways ever shut it's doors?

Were we going to without the merger?

 

[nic4us]

Did US Airways ever close it's doors?

Yes.

 

[nic4us]

When did the west career expectations include flying an A330 from PHL?



Did US Airways ever shut it's doors?

Being that the 330 fleet will more than double almost triple since the merger, I have to ask, exactly when did 2/3rds of the east pilots flying the 330 ever have the expectation of flying it absent the merger.

Answere, at your bankrupt airline that had it's doors closed in 2005, would be NEVER. Not to mention the pilots actually flying it at the time whose expectations absent a merger were just as grim.

PS. The scab union is going to learn a lesson on closing doors.

 

[Pi brat]

Yes.

When?

 

[Pi brat]

Were we going to without the merger?

Was the west absent a merger? Puts us on the same footing there.

News flash: Parker saw value in US Airways and the company's decided to merge. It proved to be a very successful merger. The east side of the merger brings in the most money. All the facts counter your arguments.

One thing Nicolau pointed to was that the east would get the bulk of gains in a new contract. Thing is, the east has brought in the bulk of profits and the gains in a new contract wouldn't cost the west. More flawed logic. Separate ops have shown it. Clearly.

 

[snapthis]

OK, so I just read pages and pages of the same old arguments. It ultimately goes to the jury and the jury instructions look like this, because these were jury instructions from DFR 1.

"A union breaches or violates its duty of fair representation when, in the course of​

negotiating a collective bargaining agreement, the union's conduct toward a member of the bargaining unit it represents is discriminatory or in bad faith. In this case, the union violated its duty if it adopted and submitted its seniority proposal for a reason or reasons that are not legitimate union objectives.​

A union has a duty to represent the employees in the bargaining unit fairly and​

impartially. This duty includes the requirement that the union's actions must be taken in good faith and with an honest purpose.""​

Duh​

 

[nic4us]

When?

The day it's stock was canceled and LCC stockholders became the owners of a new airline.

 

[nic4us]

OK, so I just read pages and pages of the same old arguments. It ultimately goes to the jury and the jury instructions look like this, because these were jury instructions from DFR 1.

"A union breaches or violates its duty of fair representation when, in the course of​

negotiating a collective bargaining agreement, the union's
conduct toward a member of the bargaining unit it represents is discriminatory or in bad faith. In this case, the union violated its duty if it adopted and submitted its seniority proposal for a reason or reasons that are not legitimate union objectives.​

A union has a duty to represent the employees in the bargaining unit fairly and​

impartially. This duty includes the requirement that the union's actions must be taken in good faith and with an honest purpose.""​

Duh​

Standby for a bunch of idiots replying that " it just ain't fair....whaaaaaahhh!" is a LUP.