Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nevergiveup]

The West Furloughees are going to hit the arbitration at their position on the Nicolau award. So will you and every single other US Air pilot. USAPA doesn't have an LUP for ignoring the Nic. They know it. The Company knows it, the West damn well knows it, and the Court system knows it. Make it ripe for adjudication and find out...which your pilot group did by RATIFYING A CONTRACT. Only a fool would believe that the MOU simply erases the RLA, and USAPA's Duty to fairly represent the pilots...which they have never had any intention of doing.

The appeal to the 9th over the DJ is entirely irrelevant at this point. As per normal, USAPA is chasing the wrong bus. When the BK Judges gavel comes down approving the POR, the hammer is coming down on USAPA and the DOH dream. AOL will be going after a Restraining order within 48 hrs of the POR and there is absolutely nothing you, your fake union, the APA or the company can do to stop it. If it derails the merger for a period of time...who cares.

Your honor, it's right here in section four of the transition agreement....(sounds of ruffling paper)... has anyone seen where I put the transition agreement.....(more sounds of ruffling paper)......

 

[EastUS1]

What is it boys, DOH only when it suits you?

Hmm....are you sure you didn't mean relative position, but only when it suits you? What's wrong with taking your real-world, current position into the theory of relativity test with the east and APA at present?.....Or is it just an issue that "Scabs only have situational ethics."...? Don't forget = New merger, and doesn't every merger "turn on it's own merits" as nic4us always said? If you believed in relative position then; you believe in it now. If not?...Well...then you amount to nothing more than, at best, a half thimble full of antsh-t where morality and logic are concerned.

Don't burst any blood vessels even trying to process that. Just click your ruby slippers together and say three times; "The nic is IT!"

 

[Phoenix]

Hmm....are you sure you didn't mean relative position, but only when it suits you? What's wrong with taking your real-world, current position into the theory of relativity test with the east and APA at present?.....Or is it just an issue that "Scabs only have situational ethics."...? Don't forget = New merger, and doesn't every merger "turn on it's own merits" as nic4us always said? If you believed in relative position then; you believe in it now. If not?...Well...then you amount to nothing more than, at best, a half thimble full of antsh-t where morality and logic are concerned.

Don't burst any blood vessels even trying to process that. Just click your ruby slippers together and say three times; "The nic is IT!"

Oh no! Just when Calloway was at idle and Cleardirect at half throttle... someone goes and tosses a little gas on the glowing embers... not even enough integrity to fill an antshite thimble!

 

[3dtv]

The West Furloughees are going to hit the arbitration at their position on the Nicolau award. So will you and every single other US Air pilot. USAPA doesn't have an LUP for ignoring the Nic. They know it. The Company knows it, the West damn well knows it, and the Court system knows it. Make it ripe for adjudication and find out...which your pilot group did by RATIFYING A CONTRACT. Only a fool would believe that the MOU simply erases the RLA, and USAPA's Duty to fairly represent the pilots...which they have never had any intention of doing.

The appeal to the 9th over the DJ is entirely irrelevant at this point. As per normal, USAPA is chasing the wrong bus. When the BK Judges gavel comes down approving the POR, the hammer is coming down on USAPA and the DOH dream. AOL will be going after a Restraining order within 48 hrs of the POR and there is absolutely nothing you, your fake union, the APA or the company can do to stop it. If it derails the merger for a period of time...who cares.

Bet you believe in the Easter bunny too

 

[3dtv]

The West Furloughees are going to hit the arbitration at their position on the Nicolau award. So will you and every single other US Air pilot. USAPA doesn't have an LUP for ignoring the Nic. They know it. The Company knows it, the West damn well knows it, and the Court system knows it. Make it ripe for adjudication and find out...which your pilot group did by RATIFYING A CONTRACT. Only a fool would believe that the MOU simply erases the RLA, and USAPA's Duty to fairly represent the pilots...which they have never had any intention of doing.

The appeal to the 9th over the DJ is entirely irrelevant at this point. As per normal, USAPA is chasing the wrong bus. When the BK Judges gavel comes down approving the POR, the hammer is coming down on USAPA and the DOH dream. AOL will be going after a Restraining order within 48 hrs of the POR and there is absolutely nothing you, your fake union, the APA or the company can do to stop it. If it derails the merger for a period of time...who cares.

Bet you believe in the Easter bunny too

 

[EastUS1]

Oh no! Just when Calloway was at idle and Cleardirect at half throttle... someone goes and tosses a little gas on the glowing embers... not even enough integrity to fill an antshite thimble!

My bad, for sure here. It's just that I've lost all patience with these noble "spartan" people that won't even offer up so much as a measly "Dire Wolf" T-shirt in a friendly gesture, much less any touting their unquestionable oceans of "Relative Integrity"!..or is it "Integrity Matters"?/whatever. Sigh!...Just how much social abuse can a poor fellow take without snapping?

 

[EastUS1]

Bet you believe in the Easter bunny too

Don't be slammin' down on the EB,....Or next thing you know? = You'll be doubting the very Holy Sanctity of St. Nic himself...?

 

[CaptChill]

From the West posters here as the reality of the MOU is settling in, it appears most are in full nuclear meltdown.... Guys, gals... take a chill pill!

 

[cactusboy53]

Speaking with memebers of the APA yesterday at the Federal Courthouse in DC, asked them about the NIC, there reply it was will not be happening, sorry.

Speaking of things that don't matter (line pilots - real or imagined- espousing views of what is fair): in the DEN workout room today I introduced myself to DAL (former NWAL) pilots. They said they "hoped that the new abitrators bent the former US Air pilots over a barrel (like they deserved). Further, they said the former US Airways pilots (let's say - DOH to the DEATH supporters) were the PARIAHS of the commercial aviation industry.

How about that. Pilots from another major airline calling a spade - a spade.

 

[cactusboy53]

Are you a furloughed west pilot?

What POSSIBLE difference would that make? Are you a pizza eatting, former furloughed, freedom scab, scum-sucking, MDA J4J, DOH to the DEATH Eastie?

 

[EastUS1]

cactusboy53: They said they "hoped that the new abitrators bent the former US Air pilots over a barrel (like they deserved). Further, they said the former US Airways pilots (let's say - DOH to the DEATH supporters) were the PARIAHS of the commercial aviation industry.

What POSSIBLE difference would that make? Are you a pizza eatting, former furloughed, freedom scab, scum-sucking, MDA J4J, DOH to the DEATH Eastie?

Good. That's good. Just a take a few deep, easy, long breaths and let it all out.....take in the good, breathe out the bad. Repeat as needed.

 

[Pi brat]

Speaking of things that don't matter (line pilots - real or imagined- espousing views of what is fair): in the DEN workout room today I introduced myself to DAL (former NWAL) pilots. They said they "hoped that the new abitrators bent the former US Air pilots over a barrel (like they deserved). Further, they said the former US Airways pilots (let's say - DOH to the DEATH supporters) were the PARIAHS of the commercial aviation industry.

How about that. Pilots from another major airline calling a spade - a spade.

I've got a good one from a DL jumpseater. He said I've read the Nicolau award and I'm so sorry you guys got screwed over so bad. Especially that he gave all that to a bunch of scumbags like AWA. But, I defended you.

 

[PullUp]

But now you are saying that the Nicolau was real and valid and it lived in the T/A. But now that the T/A is going away now for reals because we were kidding last time the Nicolau goes away.

So you have admitted that the Nicolau was real and valid because of the T/A but have managed to avoid it with the MOU. I would say that is a very strong case of intentional harm by the union admitting that for the last 8 years the east pilots have intentionally lied to the court, to the company and to their members about their obligations to the pilot. that usapa delay getting a contract knowing damn well that it would have implemented the Nicolau and that there was no legal way to avoid the nicolau because it existed in the T/A.

If there is no integration of the list from 8 years ago and you want to use the conditions as they exist today. That is a redo. No debate about it. You got to keep your job and work for a bigger airline last time, the Nicolau should have been good enough for you, That is what you just told me right. Where is the harm for you using the Nicolau?

The Nic could only ever be implemented with a ratified contract. Everyone knows that. Problem is, nobody will vote for a contract containing the nic (except for westies, of course). From what I remember, that is what they told the court, and that is what management believes also.
To get the nic, a joint contract between east and west and LCC must be consummated. Never happened, not going to happen, ever. That process FAILED. Ergo, the Nic has been dead for a long time, just nobody pulled the plug on the life support. AOL has been trying to shock it back to life repeatedly by throwing massive quantities of cash on the lifeless corpse, but to no avail. Nobody's buying the rotten piece of meat called the Nic.
BTW, the harm in the nic at this point is that there is no quid pro quo. Meaning, we're all supposed to get a new contract with LCC in return for integrating the pilot workforce. Sorry, but if the company wants an integrated pilot workforce, I need compensated for that. That also never happened, and now everyone realizes it never can happen.
The MOU pulls the plug on the Nic life support machine. The west voted for it as well as the east. The MAJORITY of the west approved the provisions of the MOU.
You guys don't have a case. The current T/A dies on the effective date. The MOU/MTA is not a contract between USAPA and LCC, it's a transition agreement between American Airlines and USAPA.
You can't claim injury (ripeness) until the SLI is complete or risk being sanctioned by the courts for filing a frivolous lawsuit.
The MOU lays out exactly how the seniority deal is going down, and it will be the east list, west list, and the AA list.
Negotiate, then arbitrate if necessary. By the time the new list comes out, you'll have several thousand extra dollars in your pocket, shiny new uniforms, and the distinction of being the employee of the largest airline in the world.
When you go crying to the judge at that point, he'll laugh you out of the courtroom.
And I don't think any judge will give you a TRO to stop a multi-billion dollar merger. Just ain't going to happen, Clear.
Cheers.

 

[nevergiveup]

What POSSIBLE difference would that make? Are you a pizza eatting, former furloughed, freedom scab, scum-sucking, MDA J4J, DOH to the DEATH Eastie?

just curious, little man, just curious.

 

[EastUS1]

And I don't think any judge will give you a TRO to stop a multi-billion dollar merger. Just ain't going to happen, Clear.

Whatever else anyone could possibly believe at this point; the incredible fantasy that AOL could pull off any legal stoppage to the merger process is, without question, their finest joke ever.