Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Hawkhunter]

Every time Claxon's Mom sends him to the basement he runs out of material and posts the Australia video.

Does your daddy still wipe your ass?

 

[Hawkhunter]

I'm getting tired of having to educate you scabs over and over. Any action taken by a labor union that is arbitrary, discriminatory, or in bad fail is a DFR and a FAILED LUP. USCABA is NOTHING BUT arbitrary, discriminator and in BAD FAITH.

One Jury already ass pounded you idiots get ready for the final solution.

I have been tired of your big mouth for years. We have been waiting for that " ass pound" for years. The Westoffs must like pounding ass. Another big mouth from the West. LOL.

 

[luvthe9]

Speaking of assholes. When does your buddy Silverman retire?

Not soon enough,

 

[luvthe9]

You think your a$$ hurts now, just wait until that scrawny little USCABA gets done with it!

Imagine what the APA boys would do to them.

 

[cleardirect]

Imagine what the APA boys would do to them.

Now there is a jack ass statement if ever I have heard one.

usapa is the bargaining agent. usapa has the responsibility to represent and protect ALL US Airways pilots not just east pilots. Anything that happens to the west is going to happen to the east. Unless you go in with two list. Then the APA may just drive that east list way down a combined list.

Or has that little fact slipped your mind because you can't get beyond usapa trying to DFR itself every chance they get.

 

[cleardirect]

Now you get it! The rest of your post was just plain BS. You have what you brought to the merger. We have what we brought. You can see where the value is, and it isn't PHX.

You want to keep your old management, the 1700 furloughed pilots, worn out airplanes and a BK company. You brought 3300 active pilots.That is what you BROUGHT to the merger.

Now if only the west did have what we brought to the merger.

No furloughed pilots, 1900 active pilots, 144 airplanes with several on order and a 7 year upgrade.

Are you saying you will give back what you have gained because of the merger in order for the west to have what we brought to the merger?

That means the west would get 250 new pilots to replace the ones we have retired. The east would lose 250 pilots because you have more now than you started with. Not what you brought.

Willing to give back those 190's that you did not bring to the merger?

You better think before you make stupid as comments like you just want what you brought.

Now if you like to watch as Parker stagnates the east and grows the majority group like he has done with our merger have at it. We will then see how much you whine about keeping what you brought.

BTW did Nicolau say that DOH was fair or did Nicolau tell the east pilots that it was not fair and that you were going to get DOH?

Just wondering you got so excited because I left out a word.

 

[EastUS1]

BTW did Nicolau say.....

Why should anyone care what he said at this point?

cleardirect: "Just wondering you got so excited because I left out a word." As you again did so there. Trust me on at least this: None are much concerned, or at all excited, just to perpetually observe your gross deficiences demonstrated within any and all feeble attempts at employing any semblance of the english language.

 

[traderjake]

Speaking of assholes. When does your buddy Silverman retire?

Does your daddy still wipe your ass?

You should get some help with that *sshole fixation.

 

[Claxon]

Oh, I'd say a Jury has proven your bs gold standard argument wrong. See, changing the rules AFTER a final and binding arbitration is what is arbitrary, discriminatory and in bad faith. Checkmate scab. I can understand your bitterness..after all who could ever imagine retiring...at AGE 65 as a NB F.O.?

HHHHHAAAA!!!! Couldn't have happened to more deserving pricks than yourselves!!!!

Poor AA. They thought they didn't hire this zero and here he comes, like a bad penny.

 

[nevergiveup]

You want to keep your old management, the 1700 furloughed pilots, worn out airplanes and a BK company. You brought 3300 active pilots.That is what you BROUGHT to the merger.

Now if only the west did have what we brought to the merger.

No furloughed pilots, 1900 active pilots, 144 airplanes with several on order and a 7 year upgrade.

Are you saying you will give back what you have gained because of the merger in order for the west to have what we brought to the merger?

That means the west would get 250 new pilots to replace the ones we have retired. The east would lose 250 pilots because you have more now than you started with. Not what you brought.

Willing to give back those 190's that you did not bring to the merger?

You better think before you make stupid as comments like you just want what you brought.

Now if you like to watch as Parker stagnates the east and grows the majority group like he has done with our merger have at it. We will then see how much you whine about keeping what you brought.

BTW did Nicolau say that DOH was fair or did Nicolau tell the east pilots that it was not fair and that you were going to get DOH?

Just wondering you got so excited because I left out a word.

Do you realize you say the same thing everyday,,,,,,for 5 years..... You need help.......bad!

 

[Claxon]

Fairness? Decided by who? East pilots? How about letting someone not involved decide what is fair? Like an arbitrator that has done many of these.

You can stick that hypocritical wait your turn stuff. It is the east that has been saying that you want yours now and if the west just waits 5 years we can have it all. You tell the west we have an entitlement attitude while you actively work to step in front. Well it has been 8 years of waiting and you still want to go to the front of the line.

How about the west pilots that are on the east list behind new hires? They waited thier turn yet usapa and the east have not lived up to the "gold standard". As a matter of fact the company is trying to correct that problem and what happens. usapa tries to block west pilots from even getting their DOH.

Your action do not match you words. What did usapa tell us early on? what what they do not what they say. for the last several years we have watch east pilots act in the most horrible, unethical way.

An arbitrator decided what was fair and it was DOH.

So we come back around to the same answer that we always get. No answer.

No LUP! That is not going to go well in front of the judge or the arbitrators. Because you see arbitrator can read contracts and court rulings. Judge Silver said usapa needs an LUP to avoid the Nicolau.

You don't have one or you don't know what one is or usapa has not told you. Either way without one the Nicolau list is going to become your best friend.

Day in, day out. Not one inch closer to the so called binding mirage. Cleardirect could not possibly fly. He lives a slave of his demented mind which is hooked on his Nic. The keyboard is his life, his wife. Sad. 5333 sad demented rants.

 

[cleardirect]

Do you realize you say the same thing everyday,,,,,,for 5 years..... You need help.......bad!

Do you realize I say the same thing because east pilots keep saying the same stupids things and I am just correcting your error.

You do not just want want you brought. You want what came after the merger.

You do not just want a 7 years fences. You want a 7 years fence then DOH.

You do not want what is fair you want all the contract and all the seniority.

You say that the west has an entitlement attitude and that we should wait. Yet it is the east that cries we want to go first and you can have what is left years from now.

It is really very simple. You just cannot grasp the concept. We agreed to final and binding arbitration. The west is not going to compromise, give concessions or even talk about changing the Nicolau award.

Until you understand that and live under the Nicolau award I will not stop. You are gong to hear it everyday or you can leave the board and not listen.

 

[N924PS]

Day in, day out. Not one inch closer to the so called binding mirage. Cleardirect could not possibly fly. He lives a slave of his demented mind which is hooked on his Nic. The keyboard is his life, his wife. Sad. 5333 sad demented rants.

You probably exceed that 5333 demented rants because over the years you have posted under numerous psuedonyms. Claxon-Nostradamus-Sumadartson......

I guess you don't fly much, at least at USAirways, since you avow you're not employed there, and post as often as Clear. Which brings me to your pathological interst in all things USAirways/USAPA. What IS your game?

And for all those East pilots hooked on Date of Hire.....you're no closer either.....and if you believe APA is going to further your cause, as George Strait would sing- "I've Got Some Oceanfront Property in Arizona".....

 

[Walmartgreeter]

If you need to know the definition of LUP I suggest you contract the usapa lawyer.

Two different federal judges have used the term legitimate union purpose. So there is obviously a legal definition.

" I'm sure we could come up with many more."

OK smart guy. Go ahead. what are they? I asked the question time for you to answer.

What is the legitimate union purpose for not using the Nicolau award?

BTW it will be the east crap the APA will not be putting up with. Remember it is usapa (east pilots) that are running the union and making the decisions. All of the nonsense that has happened, laid right at the feet of east pilots. The APA knows the west has been along for the ride and what the east pilots have done. Why do you think all the panic for you east pilots about the APA becoming the majority? You are worried that the APA will treat you like you have treated the west.

Now back to my question.

What is usapa's legitimate union purpose?

This entire LUP you have grabbed on to is a red herring, designed to keep you funding Marty as he tilts at windmills. The three part standard for a DFR has not changed. The definition of ripeness in our situation has gone to SCOTUS and been upheld..and now Marty thinks he is going to rewrite the definition of DFR to include the "intent" of pilots creating a union, creating an organization was voted in by a majority. Good luck with that, you cannot sue for a DFR based on what some individual(s) did, thought, or even said before the organization even existed. You especially cannot speak as to the “intent” of every party that voted in USAPA, including yes or no votes in PHX and LAS.

You can only sue after an ACTION , and only then win if the action of the charged party was outside the range of reasonableness. No LUP required. Wake did not allow the jury to know that EVERY group on both our properties was going DOH. He did not allow the jury to know that USAPA was the only union even offering conditions and restrictions. As to East pilots running the union, there is no such distinction at USAPA. In fact, you have elected reps and are participating in our Committee structure. You have more votes than DCA.

If you had a real case here it would already be in the courts. You don’t, and we all are laughing waiting to see what Marty’s last “Hail Marty” will be. If it is anything resembling your twisted logic here on this forum, we are going to be laughing even harder.

Greeter

 

[nycbusdriver]

Speaking of assholes. When does your buddy Silverman retire?

Think he goes in April. His name is nowhere on the May bid. (Unless he managed to get the number one slot in PHX.)