Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nevergiveup]

How is it that you can get every single fact wrong in one post?

Nicolau did not say his award was a lottery ticket.

Your legal representatives made promises. That legal bound you to those agreements.

How would anything be different today if we had agreed to fences 7 years ago or you steal a 7 year fence through force? You have had your fences it is time for that to stop. You guys said all you wanted were 7 years fences you got it. But now you want even more time. Never enough for you east pilots. Never live up to your deals. Make a deal break a deal that is your motto.

Could it be that you want a 7 years fence but would never agree to the Nicolau anyway? that you wanted 7 years fences then DOH? Gee let me think about that deal at Wye river. Umm NO!

The bill for 7 years is coming due.

Lotto fever!

 

[Zone5]

I can see you guys pretty much answered all the questions while I was out flying today and I think you're right Nic, you guys have it in the bag. I just want to make sure I follow a couple of things.

I know I wasn't asked but let me proffer answering your questions.

-Above you are talking about the TA, as Judge Silver said it was still alive, right? And the Nic lives in the TA? So what happens when the TA dies?

The TA Judge Silver is referring to is the one that governs the "merger" between East & West LCC, barring a failure of the AMR LCC merger, there will NEVER be an East-West JCBA, which makes the NIC OBE.


-You say the TA is ripe. If for some reason the merger falls through, the document that you call a JCBA is gone. Does the case unripen?

The East-West TA is not "ripe" it never even came close and now appears that it never will. Interesting question though, I've never heard of anything becoming "unripe". Once past "ripeness", most things become "rotten", followed by "dried up and blown away"!


-Is there any possibility, not probability, but possibility that a joint SL with the APA could be negotiated before the JCBA is finalized?

Sure, anything is "possible" and I personally believe in this case, that it's doable.


Just answers to those questions please. No need to comment, I've already conceded that you have USAPA whipped.

seajay

 

[luvthe9]

Conditions and restrictions.

AMR pilots;

"We want what we brought to the merger."

US Airways East pilots;

"We want what we brought to the merger."

Former america west pilots;

"We want what you brought to the merger." Or Marty and Andy will sue you.

That about sums it up in a nutshell!!

 

[mrbreeze]

An American pilot, a US East pilot, and an America West pilot are standing in the concourse talking.

An attractive flight attendant walks by......

The AA pilot says, "Man, I'd like to ****** her."

The East pilot says, "Well, I already have."

The Aw pilot says, "Oh yeah, out of what?"

 

[cleardirect]

An American pilot, a US East pilot, and an America West pilot are standing in the concourse talking.

An attractive flight attendant walks by......

The AA pilot says, "Man, I'd like to ****** her."

The East pilot says, "Well, I already have."

The Aw pilot says, "Oh yeah, out of what?"

Says the guy unwilling to live up to his deal and trying to steal what he could not get.

 

[cleardirect]

http://profileengine...crew-you-us-air

Interesting. There are no discussion and the last news feed was created Latest updates on Feb 24th 2013

Hey psyco that does not even work here. Manufacturing BS. Uncool even for you.

 

[cleardirect]

Lotto fever!

Really!

So east pilots that could not get what you wanted during fair and impartial arbitration. Demand that the west give up what we got in exchange for nothing.Use the majority to take what you could not get and steal an 8 years fence while saying all you waned was a fence. That fence is expiring and is not time to live up to your second demand. No you will not do that because now that you had an 8 years fence you want DOH also.

Going into the next merger you want another 7-10 years and DOH.

So in reality what you want is a 15-20 years fence and DOH. Sure that sounds fair the the other pilots at this airline.

Talk about lotto fever.

 

[cleardirect]

Conditions and restrictions.

AMR pilots;

"We want what we brought to the merger."

US Airways East pilots;

"We want what we brought to the merger."

Former america west pilots;

"We want what you brought to the merger." Or Marty and Andy will sue you.

The US Airways pilots brought 1700 furloughed pilots and bunch of trashed airplanes and a bankrupt company. How about you keep that and we will keep what happened after that?

 

[snapthis]

Interesting. There are no discussion and the last news feed was created Latest updates on Feb 24th 2013

Hey psyco that does not even work here. Manufacturing BS. Uncool even for you.

He's probably related to this guy.

 

[cleardirect]

MEC Chairman’s Message

February 8, 2008

This is MEC Chairman Jack Stephan with a chairman’s message to the pilots for Friday, February 08, 2008.

After nine days of talks between the US Airways and America West Steering Committees, the America West contingent has chosen to stand down talks. At this time they are not prepared to address seniority implementation issues, specifically, mitigating the damages caused by the Nicolau Award.

Recall that we met to determine if we had enough common ground between us on important issues to come up with a comprehensive counterproposal for both MECs to review. As we told you, this counterproposal would have to adequately address not only all open JNC issues, but more importantly for the AAA pilots, pay parity and seniority protection. We came to the neutral site at Wye River, MD with these goals in mind, and within these goals we developed certain thresholds needing to be achieved for the benefit of the US Airways pilots. Despite what you may have heard or read, none of that changed during the meeting.

While we respect what the AWA pilots were there to accomplish, the US Airways MEC’s position remains the same and our MEC’s Steering Committee members did not compromise that position. We never wavered from our goal of protecting you from the Nicolau Award, and our threshold for meeting those goals never changed.
I’ll be calling the MEC into session for a special meeting next week. While there is no comprehensive counterproposal to bring back to the MEC, they'll receive a briefing on the process, and I plan to add two other items to the agenda: developing a distribution methodology for 2007 Profit Sharing and Stock Options and to review an agreement extending the timeframe for filing disputes concerning flow-through issues.

The MEC will now review our options. Keep in mind that the odds of any plan we develop succeeding are greatly diminished by members of this MEC continuing to cower behind their fear of failure and seeking to sabotage any process we elect to pursue. You can see that all of the noise and accusations coming out of PHL Council 41 about the work of our Steering Committee was unfounded and disingenuous. When it came time to meet directly with our AWA counterparts, we did exactly what we said we would, AAA pilots working with AWA pilots trying to mitigate the damages of the Nicolau Award.

Excuses and alibis will not replace leadership. We made a promise, and we kept it. There was no cramdown, no end-run deal, no deal chasing and no back room conspiracies. I hope you did not fall for these contrived ideas spread in order to try and scare you. The majority of this MEC and your MEC officers are not afraid of failure. We said we were going to look under every stone to find solutions and we meant it. My only fear is that some of our MEC fear the search may actually produce something that would require
them to lead rather than criticize. I can tell you that the majority of your MEC was willing to continue the search. Although this process has not worked so far, we are no worse off for engaging in the exercise.

You would have been extremely proud of our team of pilots who met at the Wye River Conference Center. These are men of honor and integrity and they are most importantly, men of their word. Their commitment to the process and to you was rock solid. Threats and intimidation attempts by some minority disenchanted MEC members and paper tigers did not sway these men of honor from pursuing the direction that the majority of the MEC had set. They did their best trying to reach a solution to the Nicolau Award. At this time the AWA pilots are unwilling to address our seniority concerns. Again, we are no worse off for having engaged in this process. We remain right where we started and that is in separate operations with the West.

I thank you for your patience during the past few weeks. I know it’s been difficult. There will be other options at our disposal after the MEC gets the chance to strategize internally next week. While conditions and opportunities may change, the goal has not and our threshold for success has not. Our mission remains the same, to protect you from the damages caused by the Nicolau Award.

Not sure what you are trying to prove with this update other than the east is still the east and full of crap.

The really only important information in the update is February 8, 2008. Well after the east pulled out of JCBA. I said the west stopped supporting pay parity AFTER the east pulled out.

What is your point? Reading this it only enforces the lack of integrity to living up to your deals. Points out that even stand alone your leadership was dysfunctional and fighting with each other. Talk of fear, accussations. Even the same base causing trouble, PHL. Nothing has changed with the east.

Selfish in only talking about finding solutions for the east pilots and the "damage" of the Nicolau award which means taking from the west. It was all about taking not compromise.

The most offensive line was saying that east pilots were men of your words. You guys have argued that the Nicolau was an ALPA product. Well here you have ALPA not living up to their word. You also have the same bad actors do ing the sam bad things. ALPA usapa does not matter. EAST pilots are not honorable or men orf your word.

You are selfish liars bent on taking what does not belong to you.

 

[Res Judicata]

That about sums it up in a nutshell!!

What YOU brought to this merger my rotund, hypertensive amigo was an UNEMPLOYMENT check and 1878 other unemployed pilots! No. You can keep that, we've never been interested in paying for your failures.

See you in court...where we will snap the neck of your scab union.

 

[luvthe9]

What YOU brought to this merger my rotund, hypertensive amigo was an UNEMPLOYMENT check and 1878 other unemployed pilots! No. You can keep that, we've never been interested in paying for your failures.

See you in court...where we will snap the neck of your scab union.

Start saving your change boy!!! Ah, how soon they forget the famous two words, "project zanzibar".

 

[nevergiveup]

With Christ in your life, you need neither DOH nor the Nic.

 

[luvthe9]

With Christ in your life, you need neither DOH nor the Nic.

Just forgiveness. You better not let JJ, aka Move2, aka dca319 hear you talk like this, he gets very upset at religion.

 

[A320 Driver]

You are selfish liars bent on taking what does not belong to you.

Not so! Keep PHX and everything you brought with it! We don't want it! All your shiny new airplanes too.