Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[fifidriver]

If they "could care less" then they do indeed care. You can't even get a phrase correct.

Sure has taken you a long time to handle that paper tiger. Must be trying to get out of your paper bag first.

Yo Pi...
I have bad news for you. The Oxford English Dictionary now recognizes the phrase "could care less" as an American "colloquialism". In a similar vein, your buddy, Eastus, utilizes the word "irregardless", which has also received similar recognition. And while they might sound somewhat unintelligent, maybe it's just a readin', racin', 'rithmetic thang"... no?

All the best... Fifi.

 

[snapthis]

I have to wonder: why, after the merger with America west, is USCABA obsessed with the idea of unmerged career expectations? Why doesn't any Easthole see the obvious when this is applied to the AMW merger? Your unmerged career expectations was the unemployment line. That's a fact. Don't think this policy is going to come back to haunt? Do you REALLY think a jury is to stupid to connect those most obvious dots?

It's the victim mindset. Rather than taking responsibility, it's easier to point fingers. It's ALPA, Parker, West Pilots and of course, Nicolau. Their expectations were just that, expectations. Sorry life did not turn out as expected. Not our fault. Something about death and taxes comes to mind when talking about expectations being a certainty.

 

[traderjake]

The Oxford English Dictionary now recognizes the phrase "could care less" as an American "colloquialism".

I was wondering about that.

 

[traderjake]

Our union, our lawyers and our merger counsel have been advised that USAPA will begin the seniority integration process with APA by pursuing what Article I, Section 8 D of our Constitution requires, “To maintain uniform principles of seniority based on date of hire and the perpetuation thereof, with reasonable conditions and restrictions to preserve each pilot’s un-merged career expectations.”

If we go to arbitration with this garbage we're going to get our clocks cleaned just like the last time.

 

[nycbusdriver]

The President of the so called pilot union has just published a bold face lie....

Is there anyone at usapa that can actually read and understand the written word?

That is so funny: these two phrases in the same post.

The term is "bald-faced" lie.

I think everyone at USAPA is ahead of you in reading and understanding the written word, but that doesn't say much now, does it?

 

[nycbusdriver]

I think Marty is 'jumping the gun' on this one.

As Yogi Berra said: "It's deja vu all over again!"

 

[eastcoast]

do you have anything at all that is constructive to add to the discussion, or are you just trying to be a dick? You posts are just adolescent behavior.
breeze

That's pretty funny coming from you. Especially after your meltdown the other night, reprimanding people for countering you after you signed off, in addition to referring to junior pilots as a lower life form. Talk about juvenile.

You just seem to hate to be called out on your own bullsh*t. And there is plenty of it. People like you, with your mob mentality and inability to let anyone else have an opinion, are the the problem who have plagued our union for decades.

 

[dariencc]

I guess clear and DCA319 are too busy on the AWAPPA board.

No, Dancing With the Stars is on!

 

[Graceson]

I have to wonder:... Why doesn't any Easthole see the obvious when this is applied to the AMW merger? Your unmerged career expectations was the unemployment line.

The best perspective to guage capacity for economic viability and prosperity is hindsight. This perspecitive validates contentious debate of whether Commander Nic was fit for duty at that time.

And like any commander, from commander in chief to commander of an aircraft, there's impeachment for reckless negligence.

And if one side should be discredited for challenging errant valuations of potential prosperity, then the other side should be equally discredited for valuations employment viability. Either we all be given the opportunity to peer into the future or we equally take discredit for attempting the impossible. Though... the.perspective of hindsight now renders clarity upon commander Nic's competency to steer the ship.

 

[Zone5]

If we go to arbitration with this garbage we're going to get our clocks cleaned just like the last time.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. There is a negotiation phase (and perhaps the only phase) of the "new" SLI process, approved in the ratified MOU. I realize that those of the "West" persuasion, would prefer to just skip negotiations and move forward with arbitration. Gee, I wonder why? Just keep in mind that there is nothing that is "just like the last time" about this upcoming SLI.

If the pilots of LCC do "go to arbitration", it will be from a position of position of strength, utilizing USAPA's C&BL's (first time put to the test) and contrary to your opinion, USAPA's constitutionally mandated position on SLI is not "garbage", it is required.

We are not in bankruptcy, quite the contrary, we are coming off of a year of record profits. We approach the SLI with APA as equals in many respects (same contract.....pay, benefits, work rules, ect, ect, ect). Nobody is "saving" anybody here, this is a symbiotic relationship ( the sum total of the combined parts is greater than either party could achieve on its own) and the "career expectations" of all, NOW and TODAY is what will be "in play"; fences, conditions and restrictions for some agreed upon length of time are likely to "rule the day".

It's a new day and the MOU mandates a new beginning. That's a fact Jack (and Jill)! The "outcome" of the SLI is not certain, the PROCESS is!


seajay

 

[dca319]

If we go to arbitration with this garbage we're going to get our clocks cleaned just like the last time.

Pi, he's a poser for sure.
I agree with you trader. Fools on this board are now going insane with the fact that with a 98% acceptance the west has implicitly rejected the Nicolau. Considering USAPA has even stated that this MoU is neutral on seniority, that's just another weak argument we have. This is shaping up to be another loss just like snapbacks and LoA 93 were. Clocks being cleaned is an understatement.

 

[dca319]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. There is a negotiation phase (and perhaps the only phase) of the "new" SLI process, approved in the ratified MOU. I realize that those of the "West" persuasion, would prefer to just skip negotiations and move forward with arbitration. Gee, I wonder why? Just keep in mind that there is nothing that is "just like the last time" about this upcoming SLI.

If the pilots of LCC do "go to arbitration", it will be from a position of position of strength, utilizing USAPA's C&BL's (first time put to the test) and contrary to your opinion, USAPA's constitutionally mandated position on SLI is not "garbage", it is required.

We are not in bankruptcy, quite the contrary, we are coming off of a year of record profits. We approach the SLI with APA as equals in many respects (same contract.....pay, benefits, work rules, ect, ect, ect). Nobody is "saving" anybody here, this is a symbiotic relationship ( the sum total of the combined parts is greater than either party could achieve on its own) and the "career expectations" of all, NOW and TODAY is what will be "in play"; fences, conditions and restrictions for some agreed upon length of time are likely to "rule the day".

It's a new day and the MOU mandates a new beginning. That's a fact Jack (and Jill)! The "outcome" of the SLI is not certain, the PROCESS is!


seajay

Gee Seajay, remember our position of strength in front if Nicolau? Didn't stop us from asking for DoH. And unlike AA, we were neck-deep in the grave. Our CBLs don't mean jack. All they'll do is ripen AoLs claim when we submit our list. The arbs will completely ignore it. Basically, they're worthless.

 

[dca319]

The best perspective to guage capacity for economic viability and prosperity is hindsight. This perspecitive validates contentious debate of whether Commander Nic was fit for duty at that time.

And like any commander, from commander in chief to commander of an aircraft, there's impeachment for reckless negligence.

And if one side should be discredited for challenging errant valuations of potential prosperity, then the other side should be equally discredited for valuations employment viability. Either we all be given the opportunity to peer into the future or we equally take discredit for attempting the impossible. Though... the.perspective of hindsight now renders clarity upon commander Nic's competency to steer the ship.

I guess that's all relative. It would seem the only ones discrediting Nicolau are the aggrieved ones which is to be expected.

 

[prechilill]

Pi, he's a poser for sure.
I agree with you trader. Fools on this board are now going insane with the fact that with a 98% acceptance the west has implicitly rejected the Nicolau. Considering USAPA has even stated that this MoU is neutral on seniority, that's just another weak argument we have. This is shaping up to be another loss just like snapbacks and LoA 93 were. Clocks being cleaned is an understatement.

Agreed. The east has lost every arbitration since 2005, this is shaping up to be no different. You just can't fix stupid.

 

[cactusboy53]

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