Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Walmartgreeter]

Bingo. Greeter is among the best in attempting to cleanse himself of his own filth. It's laughable how this guy desperately attempts to justify ignoring an arbitration while proclaiming arbitration is the answer with MB. Truly an idiot if there ever was one, and that goes for Theuer and the rest of the lunatics around here as well. They need another slap down from the courts, and it's coming, only this time they won't get away because of a technicality. That loophole is about closed come September.

Hey toots, let me make a couple of things clear.

First, it was not my goal to just “ignore” the NIC. I wanted to prevent its implementation by any, ANY means possible. I wanted to avert, bypass, circumvent,deflect, ditch, dodge, duck, elude, escape, eschew, fake out, give the slip, hold off, keep clear, obviate, shake, shake off, shun, sidestep, ward off, and even steer clear of that hideous perversion. I wanted it gone so bad I was willing to cast my vote to take us out of ALPA. Mission accomplished. No NIC, No ALPA, and no newhire going ahead of our seventeen year pilot.

No need for any cleansing on my part, though those that fly with me might on certain days disagree.

Second, I do not promote the arbitration phase of M/B. It has always been my judgment that all included would be better off NOT to go that route. But that does not keep me from discussing arbitration, as it of course is a definite possibility.

Thanks for waiting 6 more months to give us the big slam down. That will still be prior to the POR, so I will only wonder (I am not asking, don’t care) why you would have to wait so long. I can only guess you are now "pay as you go" with Marty, and he wants the moneys up front.

Greeter

 

[Claxon]

Bingo. Greeter is among the best in attempting to cleanse himself of his own filth. It's laughable how this guy desperately attempts to justify ignoring an arbitration while proclaiming arbitration is the answer with MB. Truly an idiot if there ever was one, and that goes for Theuer and the rest of the lunatics around here as well. They need another slap down from the courts, and it's coming, only this time they won't get away because of a technicality. That loophole is about closed come September.

Marty Harper is a master of managing western plots' expectations and wallets. The September threatened action will coincide nicely wwith the availability of the new Mercedes rollout for Mrs Harper.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Hey toots, let me make a couple of things clear.

First, it was not my goal to just “ignore” the NIC. I wanted to prevent its implementation by any, ANY means possible. I wanted to avert, bypass, circumvent,deflect, ditch, dodge, duck, elude, escape, eschew, fake out, give the slip, hold off, keep clear, obviate, shake, shake off, shun, sidestep, ward off, and even steer clear of that hideous perversion. I wanted it gone so bad I was willing to cast my vote to take us out of ALPA. Mission accomplished. No NIC, No ALPA, and no newhire going ahead of our seventeen year pilot.

No need for any cleansing on my part, though those that fly with me might on certain days disagree.
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If all you did was vote for usapa, I'd agree no cleansing is necessary. But you endorsed, and by all appearances still endorse, having used the power of state and several hundred grand a month in dues money(even without much in the way of west funds initially) to go after individual west pilots who literally did nothing in order to advance your position, I'd say you could still use some Lava soap M.

 

[Freighterguynow]

They need another slap down from the courts, and it's coming, only this time they won't get away because of a technicality.

I too missed the 'slap down'.

What did see was this.

1. Wake said ripe - overruled by the ninth and affirmed by Silver

2. Wake limited the jury argument to seniority list A vs B. Again, overruled with the ninth saying: No, we will look at the ENTIRE new CBA from soup to nuts in determining harm.

3. Wakes own comments post ninth slap down ( there WAS on there) saying, in essence, the entire Addington ! was wiped off the face of the Earth in it's entirety.

4. Silver tossing out all counts and affirming USAPA's ultimate abilty to negotiate anything it wants. Yes, 'dangerous ground' and all. Refer to point 2 and plug MOU rates vs Kirby into that equation.

I see AOL as unable to accomplish anything so far IMHO.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I too missed the 'slap down'.

What did see was this.

1. Wake said ripe - overruled by the ninth and affirmed by Silver

2. Wake limited the jury argument to seniority list A vs B. Again, overruled with the ninth saying: No, we will look at the ENTIRE new CBA from soup to nuts in determining harm.

3. Wakes own comments post ninth slap down ( there WAS on there) saying, in essence, the entire Addington ! was wiped off the face of the Earth in it's entirety.

4. Silver tossing out all counts and affirming USAPA's ultimate abilty to negotiate anything it wants. Yes, 'dangerous ground' and all. Refer to point 2 and plug MOU rates vs Kirby into that equation.

I see AOL as unable to accomplish anything so far IMHO.

[font="Arial""]Don't forget SCOTUS refusing to even consider overruling the 9th.

Don't forget AOL telling its members to vote for the MOU.[/font]

[font="Arial""]Don't forget Kirby saying "no."[/font]

[font="Arial""]Greeter[/font]

 

[Freighterguynow]

Not sure how Kirby saying something has anything to do with legal proceedings - but, hey, you're rolling!

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Not sure how Kirby saying something has anything to do with legal proceedings - but, hey, you're rolling!

Keep goin! No way you guys can lose

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Not sure how Kirby saying something has anything to do with legal proceedings - but, hey, you're rolling!

For the first time in 8 years the Company has taken a position that supports one "side" and not the other. And then only after being forced to do so by the West Class litigation. Kirby via US Airways legal does NOT agree with Count II of the West Class law suit. I think that is significant, but agree it does not fall into the list of legal wins you posted.

Greeter

 

[Freighterguynow]

Keep goin! No way you guys can lose



Right back at ya.

 

[Phoenix]

Not sure how Kirby saying something has anything to do with legal proceedings - but, hey, you're rolling!

Legal proceedings? First we have to finish MB proceedings.

 

[cleardirect]

Finally wasted my time watching Kirby.

Did I miss the part where Kirby said he was going to shrink PHX or sell the west?


What did stand out was the complete kiss a$$ of Hummel. Don't know about you but when the company starts butt kissing the president of the union and the leadership because they made a hard decision something is up.

You east guys better rethink that MOU. If as Kirby said Hummel and the BPR made hard decisions in the context of seniority discussion. You might want to question what was so hard? If you believe the MOU kills the Nicolau and DOH is just around the corner what was the hard part for them to decide?

Could the hard part be that the MOU does not kill the Nicolau but in fact cements it? Why was usapa so hard over about not talking about seniority and the MOU? If DOH is a lock that should have been easy for usapa.

Maybe you better go back and listen to Kirby again this time without the bias. Next go read the Paul Jones letter and the court filings. Put all that together because what Kirby says in crew news is to manage expectations. what the company says in court and to the NMB that has weight.

 

[cleardirect]

Legal proceedings? First we have to finish MB proceedings.

Legal proceedings have already started. Maybe you missed the law suit filed against usapa on the 6th.

 

[traderjake]

Thats OK, typical for a guy who worships Munn and the old ALPA group.

You said Munn was behind the Recall.

The Recall ensured a vote on the MOU.

The MOU passing prevented you from holding the company hostage to your parity now demand.

Defeated by Munn, that gotta sting.

 

[Phoenix]

Legal proceedings have already started. Maybe you missed the law suit filed against usapa on the 6th.

Yeah, I am sure that legal proceedings will result in an injunction any minute now!

 

[cleardirect]

Yeah, I am sure that legal proceedings will result in an injunction any minute now!

Has the west asked for an injunction yet? More to the point the law suit has been filed prior to M/B making your statement of "Legal proceedings?

First we have to finish MB proceedings. "

WRONG!

BTW way how is that law suit filed against the wrong defendant in NY going? I believe usapa did ask for an injunction. Has judge Lane jumper right on that request?