Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

If. Dan, you just keep spewing your opinions with no basis in fact or law. Other than the Nicolau award I doubt you could name even one post M/B arbitration that has occurred since the statute was passed into law.

Loa 93 ends at POR, or effective date.

The panel is given the list APA and USAPA gives them. APA can propose their integration list with the list USAPA gave them and vice versa. APA cannot reorder a list USAPA gives them and USAPA is restricted to the same.

The arbitrators look at the snapshot from the effective date. Period.

Why do you think AOL is suiing (again), in case you haven't noticed. You also notice Siver found judgment for USAPA.

You're flat out wrong again, you just keep making it up.

Oh.....SYIC.

Under MB (that we all just voted for) USAPA and APA can come to an agreement rather than pass it off to an arbitration panel. Its obvious that there is a lot of risk for any one pilot group to let an arbitrator panel decide their fate (and even Crandall broadcast that). And there is a wide range of reasonableness but who knows if all the reps will have the stomach to actually use it or if they will just punt to the panel. Meanwhile the longer they take the longer we are assured DOH, even if it turns out to something different in the end.

 

[Pi brat]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']You wanted "out", but did not want your fellow AOL pilots to know you caved. We felt pity on you, but all agreed you were a rat abandoning ship. Have you no loyalty to anyone? So sad, so very sad. I had no idea you were that individual. Now I have a pitiful face with a name.[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']Greeter[/font][/font]

Greeter,

I have to call you on this one.

I've know LS for a while now. I'd put him up there with any east pilot, and above many. I know who you are, but don't know you well. On this I have to come down on LS's side.

You say that he "wanted out, but didn't want his fellow west pilot to know he caved." How do you know this? Did he express this to you in a union meeting? Someone at USAPA.... you, Seeham, Bradford or a combination, allowed him to walk, and as I understand it he was the only one. So, did he complete the terms of the settlement offered? Do we have a confession to the RICO allegations on file? Did he pay restitution? I don't believe he, or any other west pilot did.

How many west pilots were found guilty is this whole sordid affair? I believe the answer is none. How much did it cost me and you? I agree that the behavior of those that actually made the calls was childish and damaging. I wish you had gone and gotten those that were stupid enough to make the phone calls from their own phones and left out the guys that were venting on a web board............like we are now! The actions had to be stopped, but after they were we should have taken the high ground and dropped the suit. I think by not doing that USAPA raised more money for AOL that it could ever imagine.

I'm not calling you a liar, because I wasn't there, but could this be a case of a long time and lot of water under the bridge? I've been in a room with Seham talking and know how hard it is to get a word in edgewise or follow what is going on.

 

[Pi brat]

I think that is about the most informative post you've ever made. Geez, and I had doubts about my reps...........

 

[luvthe9]

Your beloved ALPA is gone from this property forever. Get over it. USAPA can submit whatever they deem appropriate. The Ninth AND judge Silver said so.

He hates the truth.

 

[end_of_alpa]

 

[end_of_alpa]

Under MB (that we all just voted for) USAPA and APA can come to an agreement rather than pass it off to an arbitration panel. Its obvious that there is a lot of risk for any one pilot group to let an arbitrator panel decide their fate (and even Crandall broadcast that). And there is a wide range of reasonableness but who knows if all the reps will have the stomach to actually use it or if they will just punt to the panel. Meanwhile the longer they take the longer we are assured DOH, even if it turns out to something different in the end.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I just figured it out! When I respond to a West pilot or Dan I should just say " ".

It seems that's the only thing that makes sense to them. (Plus, it really makes me feel good, because I love to laugh at their simple lack of any cogent legal thought.)



On.....SYIC!

 

[end_of_alpa]

Your beloved ALPA is gone from this property forever. Get over it. USAPA can submit whatever they deem appropriate. The Ninth AND judge Silver said so.

! (The truth hurts AOL and it makes me,....well,.... ).

Sorry, I have the giggles. (It's the Stewie in me.)

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Greeter,

I have to call you on this one.

I've know LS for a while now. I'd put him up there with any east pilot, and above many. I know who you are, but don't know you well. On this I have to come down on LS's side.

You say that he "wanted out, but didn't want his fellow west pilot to know he caved." How do you know this? Did he express this to you in a union meeting? Someone at USAPA.... you, Seeham, Bradford or a combination, allowed him to walk, and as I understand it he was the only one. So, did he complete the terms of the settlement offered? Do we have a confession to the RICO allegations on file? Did he pay restitution? I don't believe he, or any other west pilot did.

How many west pilots were found guilty is this whole sordid affair? I believe the answer is none. How much did it cost me and you? I agree that the behavior of those that actually made the calls was childish and damaging. I wish you had gone and gotten those that were stupid enough to make the phone calls from their own phones and left out the guys that were venting on a web board............like we are now! The actions had to be stopped, but after they were we should have taken the high ground and dropped the suit. I think by not doing that USAPA raised more money for AOL that it could ever imagine.

I'm not calling you a liar, because I wasn't there, but could this be a case of a long time and lot of water under the bridge? I've been in a room with Seham talking and know how hard it is to get a word in edgewise or follow what is going on.

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']I am sure you and others have a lot of ideas about how things should have happened, but there was a concerted illegal effort to destroy USAPA. It took two atom bombs to stop the nonsense. RICO and the NMB. Nothing else worked, and it still took a year to get their dues. How do you think the NY operation was paid for during the Hudson landing? It sure as heck was not from great intentions or good will.[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']You were not at the meeting in PHX, and I find your junior detective work (how much Seham talks) to be meaningless here.[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']Larry probably is a great guy, as I am sure 99.9% of the folks on this forum are. But his accounting of what went down at the meeting is revisionist history. [/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']If people insist on keeping this thread going , bring it on.[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']Greeter[/font][/font]

 

[cactusboy53]

Your beloved ALPA is gone from this property forever. Get over it. USAPA can submit whatever they deem appropriate. The Ninth AND judge Silver said so.

You tell 'em Billy! You go right ahead. We've been waiting almost 5 years for that 90 day contract. Run along now and put that DOH list on the table (again). ROTFLMAO

 

[prechilill]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']I am sure you and others have a lot of ideas about how things should have happened, but there was a concerted illegal effort to destroy USAPA. It took two atom bombs to stop the nonsense. RICO and the NMB. Nothing else worked, and it still took a year to get their dues. How do you think the NY operation was paid for during the Hudson landing? It sure as heck was not from great intentions or good will.[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']You were not at the meeting in PHX, and I find your junior detective work (how much Seham talks) to be meaningless here.[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']Larry probably is a great guy, as I am sure 99.9% of the folks on this forum are. But his accounting of what went down at the meeting is revisionist history. [/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']If people insist on keeping this thread going , bring it on.[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']Greeter[/font][/font]

I was at the meeting, LS is spot on. You are either a liar or a propagandist.

 

[traderjake]

Your beloved ALPA is gone from this property forever. Get over it.

Sorry pal, I didn't like ALPA either.

I know for a simpleton like you that's a complex concept.

 

[Bill Brasky]

You tell 'em Billy! You go right ahead. We've been waiting almost 5 years for that 90 day contract. Run along now and put that DOH list on the table (again). ROTFLMAO

Any way you figure it, you're the loser! I'm right where I want to be and not going anywhere.

 

[Phoenix]

Sorry pal, I didn't like ALPA either.

I know for a simpleton like you that's a complex concept.

Let's make it simpler. List the things you do like, besides post without emoticons.

 

[nic4us]

Your beloved ALPA is gone from this property forever. Get over it. USAPA can submit whatever they deem appropriate. The Ninth AND judge Silver said so.

Both the 9th and judge Silver were referencing negotiating with the company, LCC.

Now we are talking about negotiating with another union and another company.

DFRII is ripe because we have a ratified document in which the scab union failed it's DFR.

Bring it up with the 9th, and I am sure you will, they already warned uscaba about the pain of a DFR.