Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[end_of_alpa]

I am about both representing all US Airways pilots and most specifically my PHX based pilots. I have made no secret of my stand on USAPA's failed attempt to secure DOH at the detriment of my PHX based pilots. USAPA was formed primarily for the purpose of evading the Nicolau seniority list (Bradford Letter). A collective bargaining agent can not pick and choose which parts of contracts, letters of agreement, and arbitrations they wish to adhere to.

I don't hate USAPA. I hate the actions of past leaders & the USAPA faithful as they attempted to "break" the West pilot class with various persecutions & litigations.

Have a great night Jamie.

Hey Dave. I got a question.

Reading the Leonidas legal pleading in Addington v USAPA and US Airways, it states at 25 that APA is not a defendant, at 27 that AMR is not a defendant, yet at 78 it states the two defendants, AMR and APA.

Did Koontz write your legal pleading because he better go back to law school 101.

DOOMED to AOL insanity, as usual.

Oh, and.....SYIC!

 

[traderjake]

I don't know what you are getting out of this, but you are one strange dude...

Slotting the W/B F/O positions above the Group 2 Captain positions is the part of the award where Nicolau give us more than he should have.

 

[traderjake]

I don't know about you, but I haven't had to "live with the result" of the NIC to this day and it looks to me, that I never will.

Yes we have, staying on LOA 93, and the odds are we will have a M/B SLI very close to the Nicolau award.

 

[snapthis]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']You wanted "out", but did not want your fellow AOL pilots to know you caved. We felt pity on you, but all agreed you were a rat abandoning ship. Have you no loyalty to anyone? So sad, so very sad. I had no idea you were that individual. Now I have a pitiful face with a name.[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']Greeter[/font][/font]

Geez Greeter,

What did Larry do to you? I think he's been very forgiving considering what he went through with the Cactus 18 charade.

Long night at Mckoy's?

You get this morning's Red Solo Cup Award.

http://youtu.be/BKZqGJONH68

 

[cleardirect]

Yes we have, staying on LOA 93, and the odds are we will have a M/B SLI very close to the Nicolau award.

Agreed.

How will the east pilots handle another Nicolau integration?

Kick and scream as the minority?

Accept it this time proving it was all talk?

 

[Zone5]

Yes we have, staying on LOA 93, and the odds are we will have a M/B SLI very close to the Nicolau award.

LOA 93 is history at the POR (actually before then if you count the retro-pay we are now earning), prior to that, the choice was LOA 93 or Kirby/NIC, no brainer there, for me.

Even though your apparent preference is for a M/B, three arbitrator, SLI, at this point it doesn't mean it will happen that way. So far you have been dead wrong on the "viability" of the NIC for instance, hasn't happened and now it never will. I hate that for you.

Not sure what your definition of "very close to the NIC' is, but my understanding of an equipment/seat position slotting, based on a snapshot at the POR, would not even remotely resemble the NIC. Just ask all the former AAA furloughees that are not now going to be "stapled", how they view the current "ratified" methodology vice how the NIC would have turned out for them.

In my case, it would have turned out to be kind of a wash (monetarily), had I been forced in to the N/B (by the NIC) instead of the 75/76 over the last several years (even with the "Kirby"). Then again, retiring after 30 years of unbroken service in the right seat (with the NIC), while the "Nickster" who would have "become" senior to me, would still be here 22 years after I retire at 65! That's why we are where we are and the NIC is tossed on the scrap pile of the overreaching "hall of fame".


seajay

 

[Phoenix]

Oh, and.....SYIC!

Have you read what they are asking the judge to do? It's like a wish list to Santa.

They want the judge to declare that USAPA is violating its DFR (even if it is ripe, which it isn't, they voted 98% to approve of USAPA's work), that USAir is violating the TA (the TA they voted to repudiate), and they want the judge to unilaterally change the MOU in a manner advantageous to the West class, without the consent of the other three parties to the MOU... the MOU that the West class voted 98% for approval.

If 100 husbands buy cars and their wives use them to drive over to the court house to tell the judge they all want the leather seats Nav package added in.. and they want the dealership and the husbands to pay it, and for the gas it took to get to the court house...

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Geez Greeter,

What did Larry do to you? I think he's been very forgiving considering what he went through with the Cactus 18 charade.

Long night at Mckoy's?

He lied on a public forum. I called him on it. It was his choice to "out" himself. Don't really get that one.

There is no "Mckoys" in the Burg, sadly! All Italian, all the time, on every corner.

Greeter

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Have you read what they are asking the judge to do? It's like a wish list to Santa.

They want the judge to declare that USAPA is violating its DFR (even if it is ripe, which it isn't, they voted 98% to approve of USAPA's work), that USAir is violating the TA (the TA they voted to repudiate), and they want the judge to unilaterally change the MOU in a manner advantageous to the West class, without the consent of the other three parties to the MOU... the MOU that the West class voted 98% for approval.

If 100 husbands buy cars and their wives use them to drive over to the court house to tell the judge they all want the leather seats Nav package added in.. and they want the dealership and the husbands to pay it, and for the gas it took to get to the court house...

Its called "everything but the kitchen sink." That's what happens when you are rushed.

Greeter

 

[snapthis]

He lied on a public forum. I called him on it. It was his choice to "out" himself. Don't really get that one.

There is no "Mckoys" in the Burg, sadly! All Italian, all the time, on every corner.

Greeter

I guess Larry can defend himself.

No Mckoy's but you have Primanti Bros.

 

[Phoenix]

I guess Larry can defend himself.

No Mckoy's but you have Primanti Bros.

You say that like coleslaw on top of a sandwich is a good thing.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

He lied on a public forum. I called him on it. It was his choice to "out" himself. Don't really get that one.

There is no "Mckoys" in the Burg, sadly! All Italian, all the time, on every corner.

Greeter

I'm not lying. And I've told this story before. The only difference being, one can put my name to my handle on this forum now. I'm done with the tit for tat. But I told the truth before, and I'm telling it now. People can draw whatever conclusions they like.

 

[traderjake]

Even though your apparent preference is for a M/B, three arbitrator, SLI, at this point it doesn't mean it will happen that way. So far you have been dead wrong on the "viability" of the NIC for instance, hasn't happened and now it never will. I hate that for you.

The viability of the NIC is yet to be decided, several more years spent on LOA 93 is a fact.

If we do get a 3 way arbitration I predict the first thing the panel will do is combine the East and West list to reflect the Nicolau award.

They know it's a merger of two airlines, not three.

You're going to hate that, plus all the money and time off in the Kirby thrown away for nothing.

 

[nic4us]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']You lie. No settlement was discussed with you. At all. NONE.[/font][/font][/have repercussions.[/size][/font]

Hmmm.....we have 24 RICO defendants telling us that the little lawyer called each and every one of them offering release from the suit if they signed a confession statement...

Then we have a founding father of the scab union telling us no settlement was offered...


Let's see, who do we believe here, one of the 24 guys that told the scabs to go F themselves, or the reneging malcontent jack wagons who have exactly zero integrity?

 

[Phoenix]

I think the panel will perfect the Nic by going back to the PID that Nicolau used and then make the corrections that he messed up. And the panel will next go back to the PID for TWA/AMR and fix that one, and will go back to Shuttle/USAir and fix that one, and will go back to Reno/AMR and fix that one, and will go back to PSA/USAIr and fix that one (oh wait, nothing wrong with that one ), and will go back to Piedmont/USAIr and fix that one, and ...