Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Walmartgreeter]

No settlements were offered or discussed at the meeting Larry claims to have "engaged" Seham. Pay attention zippy.

Actions have consequences. You damn near put our communications out of business, and your illegal dues boycott almost bankrupted us. Enough of the “legend of the cactus 18.” What a bunch of children. At least Larry was smart enough to know when to quit. I am sure his family is grateful he did

And you cannot put a new hire in front of a seventeen year pilot. Never, for any reason.

Greeter

Hmmm.....we have 24 RICO defendants telling us that the little lawyer called each and every one of them offering release from the suit if they signed a confession statement...

 

[prechilill]

And you cannot put a furloughed pilot in front of a captain. Never, for any reason.

Greeter

Fixed it for you. You're welcome!

 

[prechilill]

In my case, it would have turned out to be kind of a wash (monetarily), had I been forced in to the N/B (by the NIC) instead of the 75/76 over the last several years (even with the "Kirby"). Then again, retiring after 30 years of unbroken service in the right seat (with the NIC), while the "Nickster" who would have "become" senior to me, would still be here 22 years after I retire at 65! That's why we are where we are and the NIC is tossed on the scrap pile of the overreaching "hall of fame".


seajay

Translation= "My career sucked and now that I got a second bite at the apple I want not only my upgrades out east but all the upgrades... I WANT IT ALL!!!"

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Fixed it for you. You're welcome!

USAPA actually "fixed" it. No credit for you.

You just keep paying your dues like a good girl.

Greeter

 

[end_of_alpa]

The viability of the NIC is yet to be decided, several more years spent on LOA 93 is a fact.

If we do get a 3 way arbitration I predict the first thing the panel will do is combine the East and West list to reflect the Nicolau award.

They know it's a merger of two airlines, not three.

You're going to hate that, plus all the money and time off in the Kirby thrown away for nothing.

If. Dan, you just keep spewing your opinions with no basis in fact or law. Other than the Nicolau award I doubt you could name even one post M/B arbitration that has occurred since the statute was passed into law.

Loa 93 ends at POR, or effective date.

The panel is given the list APA and USAPA gives them. APA can propose their integration list with the list USAPA gave them and vice versa. APA cannot reorder a list USAPA gives them and USAPA is restricted to the same.

The arbitrators look at the snapshot from the effective date. Period.

Why do you think AOL is suiing (again), in case you haven't noticed. You also notice Siver found judgment for USAPA.

You're flat out wrong again, you just keep making it up.

Oh.....SYIC.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Have you read what they are asking the judge to do? It's like a wish list to Santa.

They want the judge to declare that USAPA is violating its DFR (even if it is ripe, which it isn't, they voted 98% to approve of USAPA's work), that USAir is violating the TA (the TA they voted to repudiate), and they want the judge to unilaterally change the MOU in a manner advantageous to the West class, without the consent of the other three parties to the MOU... the MOU that the West class voted 98% for approval.

If 100 husbands buy cars and their wives use them to drive over to the court house to tell the judge they all want the leather seats Nav package added in.. and they want the dealership and the husbands to pay it, and for the gas it took to get to the court house...

As they say, you just can't fix stupid.

 

[traderjake]

You're flat out wrong again, you just keep making it up.

Oh.....SYIC.

Wrong again as usual, I'm not going to court.

Your pipe dream of a DOH seniority list is slipping away, neither APA nor an arbitrator is going to give it to you.

 

[luvthe9]

If. Dan, you just keep spewing your opinions with no basis in fact or law. Other than the Nicolau award I doubt you could name even one post M/B arbitration that has occurred since the statute was passed into law.

Remember, you are dealing with one of Munn's idle worshippers, good luck!!!!

 

[jetjok1]

You're right, this is stupid, we're never going to agree on what's fair.

That's why it we sent it to neutral, highly respected, professionally trained third party to decide.

Go read the book......"The Peter Principle". It happens to even the most revered.

 

[traderjake]

Remember, you are dealing with one of Munn's idle worshippers, good luck!!!!

I understand why you think everything revolves around Munn.

You believe Munn was behind the Recall and the Recall ensured a vote on the MOU.

Beaten by Munn, that's gotta sting.

 

[cactusboy53]

Another question CB, while you are here.

You are a PHX rep for USAPA and listed as being in the "inner circle" of AOL at cactuspilot.com.

How do you reconcile these statements?

From the 2/19 cactus pilot update:

2/19

"Negotiations addressing the contingencies that can affect seniority are complete. Retrospective pay began February 8th, and the rest of the MOU provisions will be imposed on all parties as we work toward a JCBA with APA.

The MOU was written to be neutral on the Nicolau Award."

And this from your lawsuit:

"The MOU fails to provide that pilot seniority will be

implemented using the Nicolau Award list.



Based on the forgoing, adopting the MOU is a breach of the

Transition Agreement implied covenant."

Yet you sent it out with a "Yes" recommendation and your attorneys told you guys to vote for it.

 

[Portly Dorman]

You get this info from your buddy Frank??

No settlements were offered or discussed at the meeting Larry claims to have "engaged" Seham. Pay attention zippy.

Actions have consequences. You damn near put our communications out of business, and your illegal dues boycott almost bankrupted us. Enough of the “legend of the cactus 18.” What a bunch of children. At least Larry was smart enough to know when to quit. I am sure his family is grateful he did

And you cannot put a new hire in front of a seventeen year pilot. Never, for any reason.

Greeter

 

[Phoenix]

 

[traderjake]

The panel is given the list APA and USAPA gives them. APA can propose their integration list with the list USAPA gave them and vice versa. APA cannot reorder a list USAPA gives them and USAPA is restricted to the same.

USAPA can sumit the Nicolau Award or try and submit an East and West list.

No way USAPA submits a single DOH list and it survives a court challenge.

Your DOH pipe dream is slipping away.

 

[Bill Brasky]

USAPA can sumit the Nicolau Award or try and submit an East and West list.

No way USAPA submits a single DOH list and it survives a court challenge..

Your DOH pipe dream is slipping away.

Your beloved ALPA is gone from this property forever. Get over it. USAPA can submit whatever they deem appropriate. The Ninth AND judge Silver said so.