Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

Can someone post a definition of "seniority neutral"? And while you are it, is being seniority neutral a trigger for ripeness?

 

[cynic]

If your theory was true why would the MOU not just say the Nicolau is dead? The east has the majority if the Nicolau were dead you could have passed without west votes.

Why did the usapa merger lawyer tell the west that the MOU was neutral on seniority? Did he lie? If so his ass is in court, on the stand and his license is in peril. did the president lie to the pilots group when he said the MOU was seniority neutral? Is usapa just full of crap and lies to everyone?

If the west doesn't file they run the risk of missing the deadline. This prevents a court from ruling later that they missed the window to file when the MOU was signed. It's simply part of the process that has to play out, no matter what side you are on.

 

[Claxon]

How about you show a little class and maturity? You know it is MR. Harper. Does it make you feel better to insult people?

If you think it is not ripe a federal judge will decide that and the case will end at that point. Not a lot of money certainly not a Benz.

Listen you omnipresent gasbag, I meant Mrs. Harper. Mr Harper takes YOUR money, and buys Mrs. Harper the Benz.

 

[PullUp]

That excuse was already tried and dismissed.

If the seniority stalemate is broken could you post the legal and accepted seniority list? Please post the court ruling that states usapa is not in violation of a DFR and that list is legal.

There is an east list and a west list that are in effect today, but no single list exists that has merged the east and west.
In order to have any merged list become effective, a new contract between east and west must be ratified - this is under the current T/A.
Problem for the west guys is that on the day of the POR (the effective date), the old contracts and LOAs and side letters and -YES- even the T/A gets thrown in the trash. The MOU along with AA's green book become the MTA, and THAT PROCESS WILL NOW BE FOLLOWED TO OBTAIN A SLI WITH AA.
What list will USAPA present?! the west guys ask in a tizzy.
Answer: the lists we have and are using right now.
Walmartgreeter has it right, 98% of the westies voted to take the money and abandon the current path to a SLI in favor of a NEW PATH enbodied in the MOU. Sorry, 24 westies ain't going to derail a multibillion dollar merger.
Cheers.

 

[Claxon]

There is an east list and a west list that are in effect today, but no single list exists that has merged the east and west.
In order to have any merged list become effective, a new contract between east and west must be ratified - this is under the current T/A.
Problem for the west guys is that on the day of the POR (the effective date), the old contracts and LOAs and side letters and -YES- even the T/A gets thrown in the trash. The MOU along with AA's green book become the MTA, and THAT PROCESS WILL NOW BE FOLLOWED TO OBTAIN A SLI WITH AA.
What list will USAPA present?! the west guys ask in a tizzy.
Answer: the lists we have and are using right now.
Walmartgreeter has it right, 98% of the westies voted to take the money and abandon the current path to a SLI in favor of a NEW PATH enbodied in the MOU. Sorry, 24 westies ain't going to derail a multibillion dollar merger.
Cheers.

ClearMetroResjudicasnappernicfor ain't going to like this truth. Marty told them a whole different version.

 

[Metroyet]

ClearMetroResjudicasnappernicfor ain't going to like this truth. Marty told them a whole different version.

"We the Jury find for the Plaintiffs"

 

[nic4us]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']I will answer to you PI, since I don't respond to Clear anymore: what happens before that is the POR, and thus a new "ratified by the West Class by 98%" methodology for SLI. After the JCBA any and all pilots can sue for a DFR, but their basis for that lawsuit will have to reference the MOU, not LOA 96. The NIC is dead by logic and timelines. Dead. over, done. It is really just hitting me tonight. The West Class gave up the NIC by ratifying the MOU. Simple as that. Poof! Gone.[/font][/font]

[font=Arial'][font=Arial']Greeter[/font][/font]

Nope...wrong..the West guaranteed the Nic by ratification of the MOU.

See Greeter, the MOU covers the process for integrating the LCC pilots with the AMR pilots. There are not three companies here, remember AWA bought USAirways in 2005 to form LCC?

The LCC pilots only have one accepted system seniority list.

Oh, BTW, your timeline is also incorrect. We do not have to wait for the POR to sue. Have you not read the uscaba presidents ridiculous update, we are suing now.

 

[Claxon]

"We the Jury find for the Plaintiffs"

"We the 9th send this back. Remanded. No costs to either side".

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Oh, BTW, your timeline is also incorrect. We do not have to wait for the POR to sue. Have you not read the uscaba presidents ridiculous update, we are suing now.

Indeed. But in order to win......

Greeter

 

[Phoenix]

Nope...wrong..the West guaranteed the Nic by ratification of the MOU.

See Greeter, the MOU covers the process for integrating the LCC pilots with the AMR pilots. There are not three companies here, remember AWA bought USAirways in 2005 to form LCC?

The LCC pilots only have one accepted system seniority list.

Oh, BTW, your timeline is also incorrect. We do not have to wait for the POR to sue. Have you not read the uscaba presidents ridiculous update, we are suing now.

You can file a lawsuit agains the mayor of Phoenix because its hot in July. Keep us posted.

 

[nic4us]

There is an east list and a west list that are in effect today, but no single list exists that has merged the east and west.
In order to have any merged list become effective, a new contract between east and west must be ratified - this is under the current T/A.
Problem for the west guys is that on the day of the POR (the effective date), the old contracts and LOAs and side letters and -YES- even the T/A gets thrown in the trash. The MOU along with AA's green book become the MTA, and THAT PROCESS WILL NOW BE FOLLOWED TO OBTAIN A SLI WITH AA.
What list will USAPA present?! the west guys ask in a tizzy.
Answer: the lists we have and are using right now.
Walmartgreeter has it right, 98% of the westies voted to take the money and abandon the
current path to a SLI in favor of a NEW PATH enbodied in the MOU. Sorry, 24 westies ain't going to derail a multibillion dollar merger.
Cheers.

Nobody is trying to derail the merger.

Again, the MOU lays out the process for merging LCC and AMR pilots seniority, not how to Combine east and West seniority.

Greeter and yourself have it all wrong. 98% of the West voted to take the money and the Nic, and toss the scab union to the curb.

 

[Beancounter]

There is an east list and a west list that are in effect today, but no single list exists that has merged the east and west.
In order to have any merged list become effective, a new contract between east and west must be ratified - this is under the current T/A.
Problem for the west guys is that on the day of the POR (the effective date), the old contracts and LOAs and side letters and -YES- even the T/A gets thrown in the trash. The MOU along with AA's green book become the MTA, and THAT PROCESS WILL NOW BE FOLLOWED TO OBTAIN A SLI WITH AA.
What list will USAPA present?! the west guys ask in a tizzy.
Answer: the lists we have and are using right now.
Walmartgreeter has it right, 98% of the westies voted to take the money and abandon the current path to a SLI in favor of a NEW PATH enbodied in the MOU. Sorry, 24 westies ain't going to derail a multibillion dollar merger.
Cheers.

So, you are saying USAPA will present two lists to the APA?

Bean

 

[Walmartgreeter]

So, you are saying USAPA will present two lists to the APA?

Bean

Guess you will just have to wait and see. The West Class has elected to stay out of the process, "Nic or nothing" and all that, you know.

Greeter

 

[nic4us]

Indeed. But in order to win......

Greeter

Oh, I don't know...just show a 5 year history of discriminatory treatment, punctuated by repeated harassment and false union communication as well as illegal behavior such as kicking MIGs out of open meetings, and failing to represent.

What is your plan for defense? Cause that whole LUP you just came up with is really lame. Want to know why? Because we get the same pay and benefits using the Nic.

Seems the east voted in favor of getting a raise knowing full well the MOU says LCC pilots and AMR pilots will be combined using MB. New contract, Nic is it boys and girl. The east choice was LOA93 or the Nic, and they choose the Nic. Congratulations, on finding your sanity.

 

[Beancounter]

Guess you will just have to wait and see. The West Class has elected to stay out of the process, "Nic or nothing" and all that, you know.

Greeter

Greeter,

I'm shocked, what do you mean stay out of it? USAPA is supposed to be representing me in the process. Are you suggesting they're not? That would explain the USAPA updates I keep receiving that talk about the West pilot's in third party reference. It's like I'm getting updates on how we're going to screw the west. Wait a second.........I'm a west pilot!

Bean